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Thinking about medicine when I've already started law

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Original post by SomeWelshGuy123
"No comparison" Someone like 30% of Docs after the foundation years leave for academic or private medicine because they can;t get their desired speciality.


U wot m8?
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If you are going to consider this seriously, you would need to research things carefully. Many med schools will not accept applicants who have dropped out of a degree course. Nor will most consider applicants who took longer than 2 years to complete the required A levels (usually Chemistry +/- Biology); you would fit into this category if you resit/continue your A levels in science subjects you have already started. There are a few unis that do not mind this scenario (Exeter, BSMS, Lancaster, Liverpool, Keele, UEA, Plymouth, I think off the top of my head), but even some of those will only accept this if they are achieved grades.
So I do not think it is just a simple as deciding you want to do medicine and dropping out. You need to listen carefully to the advice already given, but also check all the university websites and admission policies to see if they exclude people who have failed to complete a degree, or who take longer than 2 years to achieve A levels. If necessary, call them up and ask (but maybe best to give them a few weeks to finish with this year's applicants!). You will then have a list of places is it possible for you to apply. You can also research foundation courses in the same way, as the same rules may well apply to them. Medical school admission rules are tough, and if you are not a standard applicant, they can be even tougher
What if Medicine is too stressful for you? It seems like you chose medicine and law based on prestige, but you tend to bail once you come up against any obstacle whatsoever. It doesn't seem like you are really committed to either of them to be honest. What do you really want to do? If you don't want to deal with hard work or stress, then pick a less stressful path.
Original post by OkashiAddict
First year undergrad at a top London uni doing law but I've always struggled with choosing between med and law. In fact, I chose bio and chem for a level but I ****ed it up and left everything last minute before my AS exams so dropped out and then took on humanties instead and aced them obtaining A*A*A. I've always been naturally better at essay based subjects but I really need to work hard for sciences. thought that would be the same case when it came to doing law at uni which is one of the prime reasons I chose it. But honestly? This all just seems like a completely different language! I feel like I'm doing maths with words when it comes to contract problems for example. Also, the environment here is so competitive and it's making me wonder if I even want to get a career in law anymore. There's so much emphasis on magic circle firms and honestly I've never been interested in commercial law. I keep wondering if I should have just stuck to my sciences. I know there are some (very few but still) unis that have foundation courses for those without science background but ultimately if I were to drop out of law and apply for med now it'd be entry for 2019 so that would be another 2 years without uni and graduate in 2025 (for a 6 year foundation year) or could I straight up re-do my a levels in sciences in that 2 year gap? idk how that works considering I already have a level grades ? vs continuing law for 3 years then do an LPC for a year and start my training contract 2021/22.
I'm just so confused and lost and I feel like I went into law without thinking about it realistically and so I don't want to make that mistake again by just continuing with it before it's too late and I've wasted all that money. It's been a month into the degree so I think it's now or never that I really start considering if it's for me.
Do you think it's realistic switching to medicine and am I throwing away a great opportunity with law considering my current a level grades, the uni I'm at and the fact they gave me a law scholarship?


I was in a similar situation to you a few years ago. I am now currently in my 4th year of a Levels (2 separate 2 year courses) with predicted A*A*A* (and achieved A*AB) and I have just sent my application off.
I agree with the majority of the posts, Medicine is very competitive! A lot of medical schools won’t consider resits if you fail the first time, also a lot may not consider you if you drop out of another degree as it shows no commitment. You also need a really strong UKCAT which is extremely hard and a lot of experience.
You should get some experience before dropping out. I’d also look to study a foundation course rather than re-do your a Levels as most unis will not accept this and if you said you struggled with bio and chem the first time there’s really no point. But again these schemes are even more competitive with only a handful of courses and around 20 ish places on each course.
Medicine is an extremely hard career but extremely interesting and rewarding, I loved my experience and I knew that it was 100% what I wanted to do.
Honestly you have an uphill climb I would only drop out if you feel you NEED to do medicine rather than want.
I would continue your degree aim to get a 1st and then look at post grad courses
Original post by SomeWelshGuy123
Umm, that 30% thing was directly from the NHS, 1/3 of Doctors trained in the UK leave the NHS after foundation training.


30% might well leave the NHS but they are going abroad, working as agency locums or (sometimes) leaving medicine altogether. They are not leaving for academia or private medicine as per your earlier post.
A few posters here have assumed that the OP is only considering medicine and law because of perceived status. I don't get this from the OP at all, particularly as one of the reasons they are turned off law is because their cohort only appear to be interested in selling their souls to corporate law firms.

The reality is that medicine and law are similar in many respects - they are both professions, vocational courses with clear end points, secure (albeit less so for lawyers) careers, have reasonable salaries, require life long learning and application of expertise to solve patients'/clients' problems, provide opportunities to support/advocate for the vulnerable, etc.

I don't have much faith in work experience as providing any kind of true insight into work as a doctor. The OP's lack of work experience (so far) is hardly a reason for him/her not to develop a medical school application. People who are 18/19 now have enough time to change direction lots of times before they settle on a final career.

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Original post by MonteCristo
A few posters here have assumed that the OP is only considering medicine and law because of perceived status. I don't get this from the OP at all, particularly as one of the reasons they are turned off law is because their cohort only appear to be interested in selling their souls to corporate law firms.

The reality is that medicine and law are similar in many respects - they are both professions, vocational courses with clear end points, secure (albeit less so for lawyers) careers, have reasonable salaries, require life long learning and application of expertise to solve patients'/clients' problems, provide opportunities to support/advocate for the vulnerable, etc.

I don't have much faith in work experience as providing any kind of true insight into work as a doctor. The OP's lack of work experience (so far) is hardly a reason for him/her not to develop a medical school application. People who are 18/19 now have enough time to change direction lots of times before they settle on a final career.

DOI: Another LLB MBChB.


They usually lead to very different routes though and the main connection is the prestige factor. The OP dropped science A-levels because they weren't easy enough and now they want to drop Law for the same reason. I doubt that they'll be able to coast through Medicine! Rather than rushing in, the OP should think about things carefully. Dropping things because you find them hard can become a very dangerous habit.
Original post by MollBritton98
I was in a similar situation to you a few years ago. I am now currently in my 4th year of a Levels (2 separate 2 year courses) with predicted A*A*A* (and achieved A*AB) and I have just sent my application off.
I agree with the majority of the posts, Medicine is very competitive! A lot of medical schools won’t consider resits if you fail the first time, also a lot may not consider you if you drop out of another degree as it shows no commitment. You also need a really strong UKCAT which is extremely hard and a lot of experience.
You should get some experience before dropping out. I’d also look to study a foundation course rather than re-do your a Levels as most unis will not accept this and if you said you struggled with bio and chem the first time there’s really no point. But again these schemes are even more competitive with only a handful of courses and around 20 ish places on each course.
Medicine is an extremely hard career but extremely interesting and rewarding, I loved my experience and I knew that it was 100% what I wanted to do.
Honestly you have an uphill climb I would only drop out if you feel you NEED to do medicine rather than want.
I would continue your degree aim to get a 1st and then look at post grad courses


you said you're in 4th year of a levels, does that mean you didn't actually start a degree, but have just chosen to do different a levels?
Original post by OkashiAddict
you said you're in 4th year of a levels, does that mean you didn't actually start a degree, but have just chosen to do different a levels?


Yes, basically I finished 2 years of a Levels at one college and then went straight to a different college to do different a Levels
Original post by YaliaV
They usually lead to very different routes though and the main connection is the prestige factor. The OP dropped science A-levels because they weren't easy enough and now they want to drop Law for the same reason. I doubt that they'll be able to coast through Medicine! Rather than rushing in, the OP should think about things carefully. Dropping things because you find them hard can become a very dangerous habit.


You clearly didn't read my post. I didn't drop my science A levels because they were hard. I said I left everything to the last minute and it was not possible to learn a whole year's content in a month! The reason for that was because I was suffering from depression the whole year and had no motivation to study at all. I don't want to drop law because it's hard, there's a lot of content but completely doable if I were to put all the work in. My problem is whether I should put all the work in considering my heart isn't completely in it and my future is so uncertain. In terms of career I did not expect the focus to be on commercial law either, an area which I have absolutely no interest in going in to but then if I don't will I find a firm rich enough to help fund my LPC?
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Original post by MollBritton98
Yes, basically I finished 2 years of a Levels at one college and then went straight to a different college to do different a Levels


i see. what unis have you applied to this year then? good luck with the application!
Original post by OkashiAddict
i see. what unis have you applied to this year then? good luck with the application!


I’ve applied to HYMS, Sheffield, Newcastle and Leicester, thank you! Are you an applicant?
Original post by MollBritton98
I’ve applied to HYMS, Sheffield, Newcastle and Leicester, thank you! Are you an applicant?


nope,if I were I wouldn't have made this thread :P
Original post by OkashiAddict
nope,if I were I wouldn't have made this thread :P


Oh aha, I didn’t realise you were the initial poster!
What are you thinking now?
Original post by OkashiAddict
You clearly didn't read my post. I didn't drop my science A levels because they were hard. I said I left everything to the last minute and it was not possible to learn a whole year's content in a month! The reason for that was because I was suffering from depression the whole year and had no motivation to study at all. I don't want to drop law because it's hard, there's a lot of content but completely doable if I were to put all the work in. My problem is whether I should put all the work in considering my heart isn't completely in it and my future is so uncertain. In terms of career I did not expect the focus to be on commercial law either, an area which I have absolutely no interest in going in to but then if I don't will I find a firm rich enough to help fund my LPC?


OP are you aware that the SQE will replace the LPC?

Regardless contact the universities you'd like to go to and ask them if they'd accept you under any circumstances if you were to apply.

And you'll be able to juggle law school with work experience and volunteering. It won't be easy but if you want it enough you'll have to find the time and energy to do it.

And where is this commercial focus coming from? First year is core modules that form the basis for many areas of law.
Original post by MollBritton98
I was in a similar situation to you a few years ago. I am now currently in my 4th year of a Levels (2 separate 2 year courses) with predicted A*A*A* (and achieved A*AB) and I have just sent my application off.
I agree with the majority of the posts, Medicine is very competitive! A lot of medical schools won’t consider resits if you fail the first time, also a lot may not consider you if you drop out of another degree as it shows no commitment. You also need a really strong UKCAT which is extremely hard and a lot of experience.
You should get some experience before dropping out. I’d also look to study a foundation course rather than re-do your a Levels as most unis will not accept this and if you said you struggled with bio and chem the first time there’s really no point. But again these schemes are even more competitive with only a handful of courses and around 20 ish places on each course.
Medicine is an extremely hard career but extremely interesting and rewarding, I loved my experience and I knew that it was 100% what I wanted to do.
Honestly you have an uphill climb I would only drop out if you feel you NEED to do medicine rather than want.
I would continue your degree aim to get a 1st and then look at post grad courses


So what I'm thinking rn is I want to figure out if med is really for me but also not drop out and take that risk. I'm going to do some work experience and if I really do think it's for me, that's when it comes down to the big decision: re-do a levels or apply for a non science background course such as the one keele offer. It just comes down to what route is more realistic for my situation.
Original post by MollBritton98
Oh aha, I didn’t realise you were the initial poster!
What are you thinking now?


So what I'm thinking rn is I want to figure out if med is really for me but also not drop out and take that risk. I'm going to do some work experience and if I really do think it's for me, that's when it comes down to the big decision: re-do a levels or apply for a non science background course such as the one keele offer. It just comes down to what route is more realistic for my situation.
Original post by OkashiAddict
You clearly didn't read my post. I didn't drop my science A levels because they were hard. I said I left everything to the last minute and it was not possible to learn a whole year's content in a month! The reason for that was because I was suffering from depression the whole year and had no motivation to study at all. I don't want to drop law because it's hard, there's a lot of content but completely doable if I were to put all the work in. My problem is whether I should put all the work in considering my heart isn't completely in it and my future is so uncertain. In terms of career I did not expect the focus to be on commercial law either, an area which I have absolutely no interest in going in to but then if I don't will I find a firm rich enough to help fund my LPC?


So what area of law do you think you might be attracted to? Just because others on your course are attracted to selling their souls for money, doesn't mean you have to be the same. Once you get on to the optional courses, you can design your own degree according to your interests.
Original post by Crumpet1
So what area of law do you think you might be attracted to? Just because others on your course are attracted to selling their souls for money, doesn't mean you have to be the same. Once you get on to the optional courses, you can design your own degree according to your interests.


The area/ I am attracted to are much less promoted at my uni but they do exist and I think it's knowing this that is motivating me rn to continue with my law degree.
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Original post by OkashiAddict
So what I'm thinking rn is I want to figure out if med is really for me but also not drop out and take that risk. I'm going to do some work experience and if I really do think it's for me, that's when it comes down to the big decision: re-do a levels or apply for a non science background course such as the one keele offer. It just comes down to what route is more realistic for my situation.


It also comes down to whether a med school would entertain your application. Keele state:
"We also do not consider applications from students on degree courses in other subjects who wish to transfer before completing their degree."
So they would expect you to complete your degree (or be in your final year) before applying for another.
Most unis have this clause, or something similar, in their admissions policies.

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