Are feminists too extreme now days or is it not enough?

Feminism does have an interest in calling out the morons. And they do! But it is a shame the media has so much influence that spreads the message of the minority, making it stronger.

It’s hard for us to tell what is and isn’t feminism. But it certainly shouldn’t be (and IS NOT for the majority) a man hating session.

I completely understand where you’re coming from, but we can’t give in to a few and shatter an entire, very valid movement.

It would be like abolishing religion for the sake of extremists. God no.

I agree - but I think it says a lot about the scale of the problem when the media can sell enough copies by latching onto thoroughly vile opinions from self proclaimed feminists. I have NEVER seen a feminist - and I watch quite a few for the sake of fairness, and have read a fair number of academic papers - say 'this feminist is wrong and an idiot and doesn't represent us because the views they espouse are stupid' - in fact the only feminist I know to have done that (Hoff Summers) was chucked out because she questioned statistics that are blatant lies based on a study in which the author said these are point of interest and not remotely applicable to society as a whole. Whereas in other communities there is a lot of 'infighting' based on different interpretations.

Isn't that the problem? You state with absolute certainty 'Feminism. Is. Equality' and then tell me it's hard to say what is and isn't feminism - those two statements are contradictory. Do you have proof of the 'majority opinion' or the 'popular opinion'? Where does this certainty come from?

It is validated for its own sake. Much of it is predicated on invalid logic, that is looking at the end result to assume a premise and simply put that doesn't work. I don't see feminism fighting for much that isn't explained by biology or common sense. There are a few issues that are legit of course but they are buried under boatloads of absolute drivel and nonsense. I see nothing that validates the movement inherently as it stands unless it does a serious internal cleanup.

Religion causes the extremism. Same principle. Those who believe in equality would find another outlet, those who did not would be exposed. There's a reason every church has so many splinter groups.

I should have worded that as in it’s difficult to say WHO (not what) is a feminist. Feminism is equality, plain and simple. But I mean, it’s hard for us to say who is or isn’t a feminist. Do I consider these extremists true feminists? Not at all. They miss the point. But do they believe in equality? I think some do, they just have a flawed mindset as to how to get there, and think they have to resort to dragging men down in order to build us up. That’s where the difficulty lies.

It is the same principle. But you don’t see Christians abandoning what they believe in because a few people twist what it’s about. Same should apply with feminism.

That being said; gender equality hasn’t been achieved. Despite laws in place for equal pay, the gender pay gap is alive and thriving. It is an issue.

Watch a video about feminists and just thought of this argument. Do feminits have to calm down a bit since gender equality has been achieved or is right now not enough? Personally I think some arguments for gender equality is kind of wrong. Like saying gender equality hasn't been achieved because there isn't enough women studying physcis.

The physics thing isn't a stupid point - it is just one of the examples of many subjects (eg engineering) that women feel socially pressured not to do as they are "man jobs". Many of these male-dominated industries don't give equal opportunities to men and women in those subjects

And yet feminism never complains when things are the other way around.

Let's consider healthcare. Surgery and Academic Medicine have traditionally been male-dominated. There is huge pressure from within those careers for change, hence there are huge efforts to encourage women, such as "Woman in Surgery" and "Athena Swan". There is a huge organisational force behind both of those initiatives.

Staying within healthcare, nursing, on the other hand, is very female dominated. Are there any high-profile campaigns to increase male recruitment? Not to my knowledge... It simply isn't seen as a problem.

Yet can you name any other industries in which it is the other way around? And yes it is a hugely female dominated industry but men are easily able to join and have no limitations in that.

Exactly. The 20% pay disparity is mystifying.

There is no gender pay gap. There does exist a gender earnings gap. They are two different things. Women on average earn less than men for a whole load of reasons including hours worked, length of service, type of job etc etc

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