Why no discussion on Kevin Spacey and his alleged 'sexual advance'?

With celebrities, it's a very simple formula.

If your work product is looked upon favourably by a large number of people and you are successful and relatively attractive - it's pretty much a certainty that you can get away with almost anything. Your fans will simply make excuses for you, and if enough people say that the allegations against you are lies...you're home free.

If your work product is marginal, you have limited supporters and you're objectively unattractive - well you've had it.

Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter - not a huge body of work, not a huge body of devoted fans = guilty, perverted criminals.

Michael Jackson, Bill Wyman, Bill Clinton - huge numbers of supporters, long track record = misunderstood, victims or circumstance or media lies.

Simply put, if you take allegations at face value - where is multiple Oscar winner Kevin Spacey? Is he closer to Rolf Harris or Michael Jackson in terms of profile? That's where his case will probably go.

It's also worth noting that Rapp was the one who went into Spacey's bedroom during the party. It's not hard to imagine a drunk Spacey coming upstairs after everyone had left to find an (attractive? ) young guy sitting on his bed. He made a move, Rapp did not reciprocate, so he left.

Did he just 'make a move' in that kind of slightly innocent-sounding way? It sounds from Rapp's description more like Spacey forced him into a position where he could rape him. I suspect that there will be many more allegations about Spacey emerging shortly, as he is sure to have done this kind of thing a lot.

The worst thing about it is Spacey's linking it with being gay, as if to say that the standard stereotype that gay men are paedophiles is somehow correct. This false correlation is widely used in gay-bashing countries like Russia, Poland and others and is preached by right wing fundamentalists in the US. It's hard to understand why Spacey, an obviously very clever and sensitive man, would distort things like that, other than perhaps out of a desire to try to divert the story down a different and wrong path, whilst cynically exploiting his gay/bi identity and disregarding the effect that would have on other gay men. Pretty bloody obnoxious.

I won't be watching the now-final Season Six of House of Cards.

I won't be watching the now-final Season Six of House of Cards.

With celebrities, it's a very simple formula.

If your work product is looked upon favourably by a large number of people and you are successful and relatively attractive - it's pretty much a certainty that you can get away with almost anything. Your fans will simply make excuses for you, and if enough people say that the allegations against you are lies...you're home free.

If your work product is marginal, you have limited supporters and you're objectively unattractive - well you've had it.

Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter - not a huge body of work, not a huge body of devoted fans = guilty, perverted criminals.

Michael Jackson, Bill Wyman, Bill Clinton - huge numbers of supporters, long track record = misunderstood, victims or circumstance or media lies.

Simply put, if you take allegations at face value - where is multiple Oscar winner Kevin Spacey? Is he closer to Rolf Harris or Michael Jackson in terms of profile? That's where his case will probably go.

Did he just 'make a move' in that kind of slightly innocent-sounding way? It sounds from Rapp's description more like Spacey forced him into a position where he could rape him. I suspect that there will be many more allegations about Spacey emerging shortly, as he is sure to have done this kind of thing a lot.

The worst thing about it is Spacey's linking it with being gay, as if to say that the standard stereotype that gay men are paedophiles is somehow correct. This false correlation is widely used in gay-bashing countries like Russia, Poland and others and is preached by right wing fundamentalists in the US. It's hard to understand why Spacey, an obviously very clever and sensitive man, would distort things like that, other than perhaps out of a desire to try to divert the story down a different and wrong path, whilst cynically exploiting his gay/bi identity and disregarding the effect that would have on other gay men. Pretty bloody obnoxious.

I won't be watching the now-final Season Six of House of Cards.

I'm still wondering what young teenagers were doing in adult parties in Hollywood, like in the Roman Polanski case.

I'm still wondering what young teenagers were doing in adult parties in Hollywood, like in the Roman Polanski case.

The Hollywood paedos need easy access to them, there’s a deep ingrained culture of this and the casting couch in Hollywood, people have talked about this stuff but as post 3 says people are happy to ignore it.

Well, that's what it sounded like to me. I might be wrong, but we don't know how it happened, Spacey says even he doesn't know. I'd like some more details before I join in with the condemnation.

I'm gutted about HoC... although the last season was a bit crap. Maybe Robin Wright could carry on as sole lead, her character seems more interesting anyway.

There is literally no prove for MJ. Even the original accusers admitted they were lying. People need to stop spreading this myth.

Michael Jackson was a sick paedophile. End of.

Allegedly.

Who cares? He's worm food now. Call him what you like.

I have seen no mention of rape or attempted rape yet so a TSR first, Always full of surprises as usual. If there has been a crime, then they should investigate and charge. bet it was a shock for all those people working on HoC and now out of a job. How things change. I didnt even realise KS needed to declare himself as gay as he didnt make a secret of it.

Even more bizarre they have issued an arrest warrant for Rose McGowan on a drugs charge dating back to January as they found traces on items she left behind on a flight. Weird they would even test.

You are the one arguing about it.

I know. That's why I'm saying it's cool to call Michael Jackson a sick paedophile.

I have seen no mention of rape or attempted rape yet so a TSR first, Always full of surprises as usual. If there has been a crime, then they should investigate and charge. bet it was a shock for all those people working on HoC and now out of a job. How things change. I didnt even realise KS needed to declare himself as gay as he didnt make a secret of it.

I'm still wondering what young teenagers were doing in adult parties in Hollywood, like in the Roman Polanski case.