6 most common political ‘tribes’ in the UK

> What would you say are the 6 most common coherent political ideologies are in the UK?

Ekwality and Open Borders
Give me free stuff
**** the poor
**** Europe
**** Islam
Sensible, level-headed centrists, who know better than to take political positions

What would you say are the 6 most common coherent political ideologies are in the UK?

I would say they are (broadly speaking):

Classical liberalism
Social Liberalism
Socialism
Conservatism
Celtic (left wing) nationalism
British (right wing) nationalism


I would say then that the reason the Tories have been so successful is that they have managed to form an alliance between four of these groups (both liberals, conservatives and British nationalists) . Equally the success of new labour was in forming another alliance e between these four groups (both liberals, socialists and Celtic nationalists)

I suggest the party break down among membership would look something like this- with liberals being the least politically ‘tribal’.

Social liberals
55% Labour
30% Lib Dem
10% Tory
5% other

Classical Liberals
55% Tory
40% Lib Dem
5% other

Socialists
95% Labour
5% other

Conservative
85% Conservative
15% other

British Nationalist
60% Conservative
40% UKIP or other

Celtic nationalist
90% SNP or similar
10 other (mostly labour)

It is very ignorant of you to British nationalists as either conservative or UKIP voters when the majority of white working class people across the Midlands and North oppose SJW beliefs

My grandad purchased his house in 1979 for £11,000.

No wrong a lot of labour voters in the Midlands hate immigrants more so then wet Tories so you can have left wing nationalism the Nazi project being social authoritarianism. Hitler wasn't all that right wing.

Bald figures are pointless, though.

In 1979 I was working as a barman for 50p an hour, so weekly wage (40 hours)£20, annual £1,040. An equivalent wage today, say £7.50 per hour, , weekly £300, annual £15,600. (In fact I was working nearer 60 hours)

In 1979 his house is 10.57 times a barman's wage, the equivalent today is a £165,000 house purchase measured via barman wages.

The problems re house prices are not all scarcity re lower build rates, they are a combination issue re supply, increased demand to purchase (more people rented in 1979 and more social housing), increasing population, more frequent divorce so more two house families later in life, more two income families driving affordability etc and at times unrealistic expectations.

The fact is most people buying their first house throughout my life (I bought my first in 1985 for £14,500 when I earned £4,000 p.a. ) took a deep breath and plunged, it all looked expensive, the papers were full of properties you could not consider affording so you bought something with ghastly carpets, sometimes a bit of damp, not so hot electrics and you spent years sorting it on a shoe string.

When I got married in 1990 the large flat I had bought for £50,000 in 1989 had carpets ready for the skip, a kitchen and bathroom similar etc etc, and I spent years sorting it during evenings and weekends before selling it in 1997 for £74,500.

My current house, bought in 1997 for £105,000 took me until about 2013 to fully refurb with vast number of hours effort to save money, this is still the case, redecorating/repairs carry on. Even now I still work evenings/weekends to earn extra money. (Accountancy/Tax work)

Whilst not wishing to make a generalist comment, there appears to be a trend of thought that it was so much easier, well in 1991 when we had our first child, maternity pay for my wife was derisory after first few weeks, something like 90% pay for 9 weeks then a fixed amount for remainder (far more generous now), it took us ages to save enough even for a video recorder, we never went out, no money, we got no state benefits/ tax credits re nursery costs (just child benefit) when my wife returned part time to work ,interest rates rocketed in the late 1980s/early 1990s , it did not feel that easy. The only plus was that by 1992 we had paid off the HP for the car that we then kept until 1999.

Even these days when I am hardly poorly paid after promotions and experience over the years (family income circa £70,000+£10,000) I would struggle to buy our current house at say £450,000 if starting out again.

Maybe a little more realism that there was not a wonderful age when owning a house was so easy would be worth considering, it has always been difficult, it is now merely just a bit more difficult, it has always involved not taking holidays abroad (1994 when my daughter was born we took day trips, all we could afford), few new clothes, few meals out, pubs a distant memory, running an older car, doing all your own DIY and watching the pennies to save for a new sofa or similar.

They are socially right wing not so much economically right wing- similar to the DUP. They are so called ‘blue labour’ and are a pretty fringe wing nowadays since Corbyn especially.

Put it this way Labour voters who hate mass immigration either have to vote for Labour economically or vote Tory who do less to limit immigration then Labour did- In fact because Corbyn refused to put a limit on Immigration this time I voted UKIP- so what OP said is true right now but not 2 years ago

To be fair Corbyn’s just more honest than Miliband- labour is pro mass immigration (the Tories were too until Brexit and they still might be if the liberals take greater control)

To be fair Corbyn’s just more honest than Miliband- labour is pro mass immigration (the Tories were too until Brexit and they still might be if the liberals take greater control)

The fact that socialism exists in the UK in 2017 is horrendous. ****ing Corbyn and his braindead followers 😂😂😂

Quite a few people on the right seem to think that the working classes are all a bunch of immigrant hating xenophobes who want to take us back to the 60s. In order to appeal to them they assume that it will merely be sufficient to take a hardline on immigration.

It's downright patronising to assume that the 'working class' (whatever that means) are illiberal.

Just as it’s patronising to think that people are illiberal xenophobes for wanting to drastically reduce immigration 😉

‘Working class’: typically non degree educated WWC

Plenty of working class do go to uni and many of the ones I've met have been just as liberal and relaxed about immigration as anyone else.

Then you have MPs like Angela Raynor who are thoroughly working class.

The problem with the immigration debate is that it does indeed become dominated by xenophobes.

Uni lecturers influence opinion and 80% of them admit a left wing bias, come to the midlands. My Dad and uncles used to bully them off our estate but still voted Labour.

No more so than the right wing press brainwashes and influences people on a daily basis.

Of course academics and public sector workers tend to be more left wing. Largely because those on the right tend to chase the higher salaries in the corporate sector. Also the Tories hate the public sector. Why would public sector workers like them back?