Opinion on Palestine and Israel

Indeed. A peaceful referendum in Crimea merits sanctions and outrage, but the violent blocking of a referendum in Catalonia is ignored.

While you have something of a point, I'd say it was bloodless rather than "peaceful" - there were the Russian "little green men" de facto occupying the place, after all. That said, the Russian nationalists/separatists would like have still won a fair referendum, unlike the blatant farce in Donbass.

i just wanted to ask if you don't mind. what made you convert to islam and what inspired you to convert. I am a british- pakistani sunni muslim myself.

Hamas only acts in self defence towards israel while Israel sends across rockets for no reason. Hamas rockets are not even a match for the US made rockets shot by israel.

I volunteer with refugees we and one Lebanese gentleman who was force leave because Hamas thugs wanted to murder him. He show me the letter that Hamas wrote telling him he would be killed.

Hamas is nothing but hateful terrorist organization that does nothing to help the Palestinians or any one else. By the I have no respect or sympathy for any parent who teaches their children to hate and are willing to kill their own children by sending them to throw rock at the Israeli Army

What your opinion on the conflict. Please stay away from arguments and respect peoples opinions, whatever country they support. I am Palestinian myself. i am a sunni muslim and i used to be a orthodox Christian . My name used to be Barak. I just wanted to see peoples opinion on the countries.

THANKS

Siraj

I started studying the Quran when i came to this country and was especially interested in the life of Muhammad (saw). I also studied the hadith and saw many verses that talked about different topics such as war and how peace is always valued and how when i visited the mosque to learn more.Instead of telling me about all Islam, they told me about my beliefs and told me how they believed on the contrary.

I saw Muslims in Palestine and how they treated each other. They gave money to scavengers when they were poor themselves, they didn't care. When u asked them why, they always referred to Islam. Thats why i converted.

In theory not a bad idea at all, the practicalities of it i find dubious unfortunately.
The nationalist right wing israelis feel the land in the west bank is ordained by god to be theirs and sod anyone living on it. Alas it stems from the creation of creation of israel where people like A. Aaronsohn went on record as saying the indigenous arabs needed to be removed and replaced with the jews.
One argument i always found deeply saddening was when they said that Palestine was but a barren waste land before it was pinched and as they have now turned it into the land of milk and honey they have proved they are more deserving, its a terribly depressing and fallacious arguement.

My father was killed while i was at school. He was a very quiet man, he never got involved in protests. He finished work In Gaza, he worked as a baker and was going home.He was in the middle of the protest on the streets of Gaza and was trying to get though to go home. He had to go through the front to get through. An Israeli pushed him with a riot shield and started beating him. He laid unconscious and a man called abdullah tried to help him. By the time they got him a doctor, he died as the pig hit him the head(temple), he died.

I got home and he was not there.I searched for him for 2 hours.I found someone and they told me my dad was being treated. When i got there, a white cloth was over him.I went into shock and blanked out.I woke up the next day and the man, Abdullah explained to me what happened. I could eat for 2 days or speak, I didn't even get to say goodbye to my dad. When he sent me to school that day, the final thing he always said was "shine,Shine bright". I keep the very words round me on a necklace till this day.

May he rest in peace forever. Thats why im determined for a free Palestine so everyone can shine.

Hamas only acts in self defence towards israel while Israel sends across rockets for no reason. Hamas rockets are not even a match for the US made rockets shot by israel.

Hamas only acts in self defence towards israel while Israel sends across rockets for no reason. Hamas rockets are not even a match for the US made rockets shot by israel.

What your opinion on the conflict. Please stay away from arguments and respect peoples opinions, whatever country they support. I am Palestinian myself. i am a sunni muslim and i used to be a orthodox Christian . My name used to be Barak. I just wanted to see peoples opinion on the countries.

THANKS

Siraj

Simply not true. Both sides regularly take unjustified aggressive action against non-combatants.

It is worth baring in mind though the proportionality of the action taken, firing a small unguided rockets which rarely make it to populated areas is hardly comparable to the saturation bombing tactics the IDF use...

I agree that when Hamas fire unguided rockets into populated Israeli areas, the IDF often retaliates with disproportionate force. And the people who suffer most are the ordinary Palistinians, not Hamas. Which Hamas is aware of and doesn't seem overly bothered about.
So yes, it is worth bearing in mind that the actual participants in the fighting on both sides are callous *******s who seem to have little consideration for the suffering of ordinary Palistinians caught in the middle, who just want to get on with their lives in peace.

BTW, whilst they are no angels, the IDF do not conduct saturation bombing.

Indeed, I think we can agree on that.

I was talking to someone who works with Palestinians in Lebanon and he did raise a rather good point regarding the allegations of deliberately firing at Israeli civilians, whilst he didn't deny they fired at civilians he did note that due to israels size it is near enough impossible to not hit a civilian structure whilst aiming at military targets. An example would be the Dimona nuclear facility being threatened by Hizbollah

The forcible creation of the State of Israel in the way it was, was a mistake. However, it is a mistake that now must be lived with in some way.

Israel must be made to withdraw to its internationally mandated 1948 borders and all settlements removed.
A recognised Palestinian state should be established, with sufficient international aid programmes to enable it to establish itself as a functioning democracy.
All paramilitary groups must disband and disarm.
All claims by either side to any part of the other's territory under the newly established borders to be given up.
All surrounding states must keep out of the business of both Israel and Palestine, and fully recognise both states.
Border controls and peacekeeping to initially be undertaken by the UN.

Or something like that.

Sure, it's easy enough to come up with a solution, but there is no way in hell Israel would accept a solution which gives them less land than they currently have.

Indeed. And when you consider Article 13 from the Hamas Charter...
"There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility."

It seems unlikely that there will ever be a peaceful solution until one or both sides wise the **** up.

That's from 1988, Hamas have published much more sober and moderate documents since then, including a new charter this year.