6 most common political ‘tribes’ in the UK

No i don’t at all. I just think on average more people are good than bad. I think that ‘moral rule enforcers’ should be as limited as possible
Lest they get too powerful and greedy. All power corrupts.



A perfect society is never going to happen. But one that protects liberty and virtue is a far better and more human way to live than


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Exactly, and all I am saying is that socialism is far better at that than capitalism, which is essentially allowing those with capital to reduce everyone else's surplus all in the name of "free market". Now economically of course it has shown to work best of what we have yet seen, but that doesn't mean one has to blindly follow it.

I’m not sure I follow you, but are you arguing that capitalists steal other people’s wealth? If it’s in a free society that is simply wrong - capitalism CREATES wealth and doesn’t steal it. It’s not a zero sum game.

I am saying that wealth creation is overwhelmingly for the ones with capital..

I wouldn’t say it’s overwhelming but that point I can agree to broadly.

But the general point is what is the most moral way to change this trend? Now I think we can agree that to have an obscene amount of wealth is wrong. But so is forcing people to do something they don’t want to so long as they have not harmed a real person in some way.

To me it’s virtually never right unless a national emergency for the government to take more than half your earnings whether your bill gates or a janitor.

(not paying tax is too impersonal to count- the impersonal nature of big government is where a lot if the problems lie I think)

And well yes, I never said one should adopt pure socialism either. And I would even say that already 40% is quite high taxes. What one needs is a far more efficient government. But that's another story.

On what plant is Celtic nationalism left wing? Many are opposed to abortion and total social conservatives.

Well yeah and lots of it doesn’t seem to be working morally.




So you’re not advocating for socialism you’re advocating for a mixed economy.

The government does too much it’s insane and they can’t msnage it clearly. The government should do a lot less but a lot better. And it can do this and be very efficient the problem is that socialists then think the state is best at everything just as libertarians conclude that just because the market is better st a lot if things it’s the answer.

I’m not sure I follow you, but are you arguing that capitalists steal other people’s wealth? If it’s in a free society that is simply wrong - capitalism CREATES wealth and doesn’t steal it. It’s not a zero sum game.