It depends what you mean when you say control. If you mean security, then probably not. We would not be better off. However, if by control you mean services then we would be much worse off. There is no way the average person in this country could pay for the levels of healthcare, road use, education and everything else the state provides if they paid no tax and had to pay for everything up front.
My mate lives in the US. He earns over $100k a year but after is health insurance premiums, he is no better off than he was in the UK earning a modest £40k.
My mate lives in the US. He earns over $100k a year but after is health insurance premiums, he is no better off than he was in the UK earning a modest £40k.
Original post by Rinsed
That depends, do your friends steal your money, spend some of it on things they think you'd like and then expect you to feel grateful?
As much as I obviously have no love for the state, this kind of analogy is dumb. Your friends don't produce the physical money supply, or legally define and guarantee the value of currency.
Original post by anarchism101
As much as I obviously have no love for the state, this kind of analogy is dumb. Your friends don't produce the physical money supply, or legally define and guarantee the value of currency.
Your friends don't loan you money out of thin air and then expect you to pay it back in real money.
Original post by akka444
Your friends don't loan you money out of thin air
Money has to come from thin air at some point. Though I agree that fractional reserve based money systems are terrible.
Original post by anarchism101
As much as I obviously have no love for the state, this kind of analogy is dumb. Your friends don't produce the physical money supply, or legally define and guarantee the value of currency.
I disagree, I think it sums up one of the most important elements of the state-citizen relationship.
Is it a complete description? Obviously not. But I don't think it's completely without merit.
Original post by hannah00
state should do more in terms of public services education and health but less in terms of police kettling you and your friends for 4 hours because your protesting against austerity.
Compulsory education is one of the main causes of psychological suffering.
Original post by Rinsed
I disagree, I think it sums up one of the most important elements of the state-citizen relationship.
Is it a complete description? Obviously not. But I don't think it's completely without merit.
Is it a complete description? Obviously not. But I don't think it's completely without merit.
The problem is it's trying to detach the state from something it's inextricably involved in.
Yes, one of the state's defining powers is its control over money (apart from moneyless state societies like the Incas), but trying to analogise this to a monetary interaction with a friend doesn't really make sense because in that scenario, the money still has all the relations with the state from the former.
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