Egyptian lawyer says it is 'patriotic duty' to rape women
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/egypt-lawyer-rape-girls-revealing-clothing-ripped-jeans-nabih-al-wahsh-a8030831.html
Oh ffs, that is so depressing. I haven't been to Egypt, but a friend of mine, a very attractive Canadian girl, said that when she was in Cairo it was the worst that she's ever experienced in terms of harassment, cat-calling, men following her and guys in cars pulling in next to her while she's walking down the pavement.
And, not that it's relevant, but she was dressed very conservatively; long-sleeve tops, loose-fitting trousers, etc.
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
Oh ffs, that is so depressing. I haven't been to Egypt, but a friend of mine, a very attractive Canadian girl, said that when she was in Cairo it was the worst that she's ever experienced in terms of harassment, cat-calling, men following her and guys in cars pulling in next to her while she's walking down the pavement.
And, not that it's relevant, but she was dressed very conservatively; long-sleeve tops, loose-fitting trousers, etc.
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
An Egyptian lawyer has prompted outrage for saying harassing and raping girls who wear revealing clothing such as ripped jeans is a “national duty”.
Nabih al-Wahsh, a prominent conservative, made the controversial comments during a TV panel show discussion debating a draft law on prostitution.
"Are you happy when you see a girl walking down the street with half of her behind showing?" the lawyer said on Al-Assema earlier this month.
He added: “I say that when a girl walks about like that, it is a patriotic duty to sexually harass her and a national duty to rape her.”
Nabih al-Wahsh, a prominent conservative, made the controversial comments during a TV panel show discussion debating a draft law on prostitution.
"Are you happy when you see a girl walking down the street with half of her behind showing?" the lawyer said on Al-Assema earlier this month.
He added: “I say that when a girl walks about like that, it is a patriotic duty to sexually harass her and a national duty to rape her.”
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This is just one crazy man in a nation of almost 100million. Of course many western countries are more accepting of women's rights and a lot of non-western countries are less egalitarian and more misogynistic, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the west has a huge problem with sexual harassment as well. For example, 50% of British women have been sexually harassed at work according to a recent poll
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41741615
I think it's best to focus on our own problems before we start lecturing other countries
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41741615
I think it's best to focus on our own problems before we start lecturing other countries
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Original post by Trapz99
This is just one crazy man in a nation of almost 100million.
While his views are not the views of all Egyptians, he certainly expresses an opinion that would find sympathy with many Egyptians. The country has serious issues with its treatment of women, its turning a blind eye to sexual harassment and degradation and disrespect of women.
When you allow that to go on, then it's not surprising that you end up with people like this lawyer.
Original post by Trapz99
For example, 50% of British women have been sexually harassed at work according to a recent poll
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41741615
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41741615
The difference is that when this happens to women, they can vindicate their rights in court. They can bring discrimination claims against the harasser. If it's bad enough, the harasser can be charged with criminal offences.
With our laws, and our response to sexual harassment, this society demonstrates that it takes rape and sexual assault seriously. Men who rape are considered scum of the earth and sent to prison. Women who are raped can expect, on the whole and in the systemic sense, sympathy and support from police. There are specialist, elite police units dedicated entirely to this issue.
Practically-speaking, Egyptian women do not have any means to secure and vindicate rights in the same way and the idea that Egyptian police would act in a comparable way is completely implausible.
I think it's best to focus on our own problems before we start lecturing other countries
We can walk and chew gum. The fact that the West is not perfect is not a reason why we cannot speak out against injustice when we see it.
In fact, it is precisely because the west is assertive in its values about respect for women, sexual minorities and so forth that less developed countries are reforming and attempting to emulate the West's approach to these issues. The fact we care about these issues and speak out about them puts pressure on countries to take some action.
If the West wasn't so outspoken on the LGBT issue, do you think Putin would even bother with the veneer of tolerance to which he adheres?
Anyone seen this? 10 hours of a woman, conservatively dressed, saying nothing walking around the streets of Manhattan
[video="youtube;b1XGPvbWn0A"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A[/video]
[video="youtube;b1XGPvbWn0A"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A[/video]
Original post by AlexanderHam
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
This is most likely because in 'western' countries, the population is more used to being around women with less-conservative dress-codes than 'eastern' countries, so for a non-western person to suddenly be around someone who is not-so-conservatively dressed, they pay much more attention to the woman and can escalate to harassment.
That being said though, traditions are changing in eastern countries so the harassment should start to decrease. (btw I'm against harassment obviously lol regardless of the country).
Original post by yudothis
Nothing to see here. #NotAllMen just and outlier, isolated incident.
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1 out of 3 girls may be sexually abused before she turns 16 years old. Most of this abuse (90%) will be done by someone she knows and 70% will involve genital contact.
Not all men, but a lot of them. We shouldn't be dismissing comments like this.
Original post by bbygal
Not all men, but a lot of them. We shouldn't be dismissing comments like this.
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1 out of 3 girls may be sexually abused before she turns 16 years old. Most of this abuse (90%) will be done by someone she knows and 70% will involve genital contact.
Not all men, but a lot of them. We shouldn't be dismissing comments like this.
I was being (highly) sarcastic.
Original post by AlexanderHam
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/egypt-lawyer-rape-girls-revealing-clothing-ripped-jeans-nabih-al-wahsh-a8030831.html
Oh ffs, that is so depressing. I haven't been to Egypt, but a friend of mine, a very attractive Canadian girl, said that when she was in Cairo it was the worst that she's ever experienced in terms of harassment, cat-calling, men following her and guys in cars pulling in next to her while she's walking down the pavement.
And, not that it's relevant, but she was dressed very conservatively; long-sleeve tops, loose-fitting trousers, etc.
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
Oh ffs, that is so depressing. I haven't been to Egypt, but a friend of mine, a very attractive Canadian girl, said that when she was in Cairo it was the worst that she's ever experienced in terms of harassment, cat-calling, men following her and guys in cars pulling in next to her while she's walking down the pavement.
And, not that it's relevant, but she was dressed very conservatively; long-sleeve tops, loose-fitting trousers, etc.
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
Dont generalise an entire country and city based on an idiotic mans view.
People nowadays are so quick to generalise. Im from Egypt and I don't have these views. Proof
Original post by Oneiropólos
Dont generalise an entire country and city based on an idiotic mans view.
People nowadays are so quick to generalise. Im from Egypt and I don't have these views. Proof
People nowadays are so quick to generalise. Im from Egypt and I don't have these views. Proof
So you deny your country is a backward cesspit of misogyny. You wouldn't mind to walk around Egypt as a woman?
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Original post by bbygal
Not all men, but a lot of them. We shouldn't be dismissing comments like this.
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1 out of 3 girls may be sexually abused before she turns 16 years old. Most of this abuse (90%) will be done by someone she knows and 70% will involve genital contact.
Not all men, but a lot of them. We shouldn't be dismissing comments like this.
the egyptian lawyer was clearly wrong to say that ...but regarding your quote lets not forget women are guilty of sexually harrasment too at times
"technically" i've been sexually assaulted by a female before age 16 too
and tbh, so will other men, it's just that males don't really take it as seriously as women do......
Original post by AlexanderHam
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/egypt-lawyer-rape-girls-revealing-clothing-ripped-jeans-nabih-al-wahsh-a8030831.html
Oh ffs, that is so depressing. I haven't been to Egypt, but a friend of mine, a very attractive Canadian girl, said that when she was in Cairo it was the worst that she's ever experienced in terms of harassment, cat-calling, men following her and guys in cars pulling in next to her while she's walking down the pavement.
And, not that it's relevant, but she was dressed very conservatively; long-sleeve tops, loose-fitting trousers, etc.
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
Oh ffs, that is so depressing. I haven't been to Egypt, but a friend of mine, a very attractive Canadian girl, said that when she was in Cairo it was the worst that she's ever experienced in terms of harassment, cat-calling, men following her and guys in cars pulling in next to her while she's walking down the pavement.
And, not that it's relevant, but she was dressed very conservatively; long-sleeve tops, loose-fitting trousers, etc.
It's ironic that we hear so often about the "decadent west", but compared to most countries the West is a model of decorum and respect for women. Women here do not experience anything like the insane levels of sexual harassment that occur in other places
Wow, this is the same logic as saying if a person goes out without a bulletproof vest, they deserve to be shot because they wasn't "protecting themselves". Let's hope he never fathers daughters.
Isn't Egypt a muslim country? I think that would explain it.
Original post by yudothis
So you deny your country is a backward cesspit of misogyny. You wouldn't mind to walk around Egypt as a woman?
Don't talk as if you know more about my country than I do.
This is an isolated incident. For crying out loud America has more of these incidents. Haven't you been reading the news that several celebs have been accused of sexual harassment IN AMERICA. And probably more have done it but it hasn't been opened up. YET.
Egypts government is corrupt? Yes it is
Are some streets dangerous? Definitely
I am not making the points you are saying. I agree with you.
I am saying you cannot generalise an entire country of men and women based on one incident or several.
100,000,000 people live in Egypt so don't go around saying because one man did this the whole country is the same.
I dont generalise when I see people being accused or proven guilty of sexual crimes in the UK and USA, I see it as an isolated incident, and so should you.
And about that question you asked.
How dare you insult a country when your own is the same or even worse.
Just because Egypt's crimes are brought to light doesn't mean your countries HIDDEN crimes are of less significance.
This was to just prove my point. I didn't mean to insult you no matter how it may look. I am simply proving my point.
Original post by Oneiropólos
Don't talk as if you know more about my country than I do.
This is an isolated incident. For crying out loud America has more of these incidents. Haven't you been reading the news that several celebs have been accused of sexual harassment IN AMERICA. And probably more have done it but it hasn't been opened up. YET.
Egypts government is corrupt? Yes it is
Are some streets dangerous? Definitely
I am not making the points you are saying. I agree with you.
I am saying you cannot generalise an entire country of men and women based on one incident or several.
100,000,000 people live in Egypt so don't go around saying because one man did this the whole country is the same.
I dont generalise when I see people being accused or proven guilty of sexual crimes in the UK and USA, I see it as an isolated incident, and so should you.
And about that question you asked.
How dare you insult a country when your own is the same or even worse.
Just because Egypt's crimes are brought to light doesn't mean your countries HIDDEN crimes are of less significance.
This was to just prove my point. I didn't mean to insult you no matter how it may look. I am simply proving my point.
This is an isolated incident. For crying out loud America has more of these incidents. Haven't you been reading the news that several celebs have been accused of sexual harassment IN AMERICA. And probably more have done it but it hasn't been opened up. YET.
Egypts government is corrupt? Yes it is
Are some streets dangerous? Definitely
I am not making the points you are saying. I agree with you.
I am saying you cannot generalise an entire country of men and women based on one incident or several.
100,000,000 people live in Egypt so don't go around saying because one man did this the whole country is the same.
I dont generalise when I see people being accused or proven guilty of sexual crimes in the UK and USA, I see it as an isolated incident, and so should you.
And about that question you asked.
How dare you insult a country when your own is the same or even worse.
Just because Egypt's crimes are brought to light doesn't mean your countries HIDDEN crimes are of less significance.
This was to just prove my point. I didn't mean to insult you no matter how it may look. I am simply proving my point.
Isolated? It's all you hear about Egypt lol. Are you lying to yourself or just that ignorant?
I'm not American and given it's a UK forum it's foolish to assume that.
Also just because you say you aren't "proving" something, doesn't make it true.
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