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Original post by TimmonaPortella
they're entitled to protect their ad revenue. You're not just automatically entitled to use other people's websites for free.
I personally have adblocked the please-dont-use-adblock banner


Original post by ozzyoscy
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lol I'm just saying you can't blame them for what they're doing, that's all. Lot of people seem really irritated at TSR for doing something which is obviously sensible from their perspective.
Original post by TimmonaPortella
lol I'm just saying you can't blame them for what they're doing, that's all. Lot of people seem really irritated at TSR for doing something which is obviously sensible from their perspective.


You can't blame them for airing criticism or complaints when you yourself have the complaint or criticism that has caused you to use adblocker.
Original post by ozzyoscy
You can't blame them for airing criticism or complaints when you yourself have the complaint or criticism that has caused you to use adblocker.


Pretty sure I can and did.

I stopped it unilaterally because I could. That's different from complaining about it, as though they're doing something wrong. They're obviously not.
Original post by TimmonaPortella
Pretty sure I can and did.

I stopped it unilaterally because I could. That's different from complaining about it, as though they're doing something wrong. They're obviously not.


Please don't try to act badass, it's cringeworthy. Just stop hypocritically whining.
Reply 66
The banner is annoying and intrusive. I'd consider buying an add removal pass if:

1. It wasn't based on number of page views
2. Wasn't 1p per page. I'll easily do several hundred page views a day, no way am I paying £100 a month.
3. We actually got some support for important issues on here. We're still seeing inappropriate company reps and adverts on here, all get flagged and yet nothing gets done.

Interesting that TSR decides they may be having financial difficulties due to ad blocks just recently after firing all of their free volunteer mods and replacing with paid-for employees.
Original post by Reue
The banner is annoying and intrusive. I'd consider buying an add removal pass if:

1. It wasn't based on number of page views
2. Wasn't 1p per page. I'll easily do several hundred page views a day, no way am I paying £100 a month.
3. We actually got some support for important issues on here. We're still seeing inappropriate company reps and adverts on here, all get flagged and yet nothing gets done.

Interesting that TSR decides they may be having financial difficulties due to ad blocks just recently after firing all of their free volunteer mods and replacing with paid-for employees.


To be honest, I feel it will probably be reverted. A poor money-grab that has failed to trick the majority of the userbase. Hopefully this will discourage the staff from implementing anything similarly user unfriendly.

Use the element hiding tool in abp/ublock in the meantime.
Original post by Reue
firing all of their free volunteer mods and replacing with paid-for employees.


Wow I applaud that move if true. But forum mods can't get 'fired' btw. They're just us, kids, hermits, people, except their account has the the ability to delete/edit posts and ban people.

Don't the purple 'support team/community assistants/helpers/whatever have the ability to do mod stuff though?
Original post by ozzyoscy
Wow I applaud that move if true. But forum mods can't get 'fired' btw. They're just us, kids, hermits, people, except their account has the the ability to delete/edit posts and ban people.

Don't the purple 'support team/community assistants/helpers/whatever have the ability to do mod stuff though?


Yes, we do. But that’s not our primary function and we only moderate actively (i.e. as and when we see it). We don’t work in the report queue :smile: only the Support Team and above perform this role though. Community Assistants cannot ban etc.
Reply 70
Original post by ozzyoscy
Wow I applaud that move if true. But forum mods can't get 'fired' btw.


Perfectly possible to be 'fired' from a voluntary position.

Original post by ozzyoscy

They're just us, kids, hermits, people, except their account has the the ability to delete/edit posts and ban people.


I'd argue it was a little more formal than that given that they were required to sign contracts with TSR,

Original post by ozzyoscy

Don't the purple 'support team/community assistants/helpers/whatever have the ability to do mod stuff though?


It's not the same role anymore.
Original post by Reue
It's not the same role anymore.


That's blatantly clear, before you had a bunch of well informed and experienced advisers who actually quite often had real world experience in their sub sections.

Now (with a few exceptions) you have students advising on stuff they have no experience of or have scraped off the internet with google search, sometimes to the point of delusional statements about fictional instances.
Original post by iainvg
That's blatantly clear, before you had a bunch of well informed and experienced advisers who actually quite often had real world experience in their sub sections.

Now (with a few exceptions) you have students advising on stuff they have no experience of or have scraped off the internet with google search, sometimes to the point of delusional statements about fictional instances.


This is completely untrue. Members of the team in specialised sections have dedicated knowledge, passion and interest relating to their specialisms. In Life sections, we look for practical experience and evidence of sensibility and vital skills to provide support to members on the site.
Original post by Paracosm
This is completely untrue. Members of the team in specialised sections have dedicated knowledge, passion and interest relating to their specialisms. In Life sections, we look for practical experience and evidence of sensibility and vital skills to provide support to members on the site.


Knowledge does not equal understanding nor experience, retention of information does not make someone a good person to teach the understanding required to apply that knowledge effectively, as that comes with experience.

You should be looking for practical experience in every area - as a theoretical:

"A new graduate isn't going to want the opinion of a fellow graduate on how to apply themselves well in their chosen industry, they realistically will want someone who did a few years ago, and has the initial experience to understand what they face."

However, the reality of late in certain sections, is a community assistant or other similar role, too big for their boots making statements as fact based on zero evidence, and profusely refuting anyone who provides substantiated evidence to the contrary. All because they seem to think that because they have automatically gained some higher status because of a title under their name.

So, no, it isn't completely untrue. Some areas are fine, but there is still a large proponent of diabolically bad misinformation being alluded to as factual and relevant "advice".
Original post by iainvg
Knowledge does not equal understanding nor experience, retention of information does not make someone a good person to teach the understanding required to apply that knowledge effectively, as that comes with experience.

You should be looking for practical experience in every area - as a theoretical:

"A new graduate isn't going to want the opinion of a fellow graduate on how to apply themselves well in their chosen industry, they realistically will want someone who did a few years ago, and has the initial experience to understand what they face."

However, the reality of late in certain sections, is a community assistant or other similar role, too big for their boots making statements as fact based on zero evidence, and profusely refuting anyone who provides substantiated evidence to the contrary. All because they seem to think that because they have automatically gained some higher status because of a title under their name.

So, no, it isn't completely untrue. Some areas are fine, but there is still a large proponent of diabolically bad misinformation being alluded to as factual and relevant "advice".


We want to ensure that all members of the team are giving information that is useful and helpful to our members. If you have noticed occasions where the advice given has been below what should be expected, you should absolutely provide feedback in AtCT - we want our team to be as helpful as they can to our members and sometimes, of course, mistakes are made, but the beauty of volunteering is that we're all here on our own time with a willingness to learn and use our knowledge for good and learn from those mistakes to develop as a team member. Nobody has promised that our team members will be educated the the highest level in their field, we're simply here to lend a hand where we can. For the most part, this works just fine. Obviously in more specialised areas, we look to experts within the community to help too - everyone helps each other out.

Like I said before though, we want to make sure that only good advice comes from our end, so please do make use of AtCT as and when you see something that could be potentially harmful to the community as nobody wants that.
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Original post by Reue
Perfectly possible to be 'fired' from a voluntary position.



I'd argue it was a little more formal than that given that they were required to sign contracts with TSR,



It's not the same role anymore.


It's impossible to be fired from an imaginary internet forum account position.

I mean if there's contracts then sure, but then I'd say that's pretty sad involving contracts in being a moderator account on an internet forum. If you wanna treat it THAT seriously, then make it a real life job, which it is now, so all good.


Original post by Paracosm
Yes, we do. But that’s not our primary function and we only moderate actively (i.e. as and when we see it). We don’t work in the report queue :smile: only the Support Team and above perform this role though. Community Assistants cannot ban etc.


Ugh that's no good then. Making mods an actual job you get paid for and thus is legit with responsibilities and reasons to get fired is no good if there are still other people with mod abilities that can just delete posts, ban people etc. for personal reasons.
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Original post by ozzyoscy
It's impossible to be fired from an imaginary internet forum account position.

I mean if there's contracts then sure, but then I'd say that's pretty sad involving contracts in being a moderator account on an internet forum. If you wanna treat it THAT seriously, then make it a real life job, which it is now, so all good.




Ugh that's no good then. Making mods an actual job you get paid for and thus is legit with responsibilities and reasons to get fired is no good if there are still other people with mod abilities that can just delete posts, ban people etc. for personal reasons.


Nobody can delete content or ban people for personal reasons. This is an abuse of privilege and the person would simply be removed from the team. All of our Support Team are made to sign a volunteer agreement binding us to certain rules and procedures, we are also DBS checked. The employed moderators at TSRG have far more reach, responsibility and tools to let them do their job. They respond to the report queue, have moderation access to the whole site and on average deal with the majority of content. We’re not responsible for moderation like that - it’s simply something we can do as and when we see it. All decisions are logged and audited - mistakes are reversed and the person informed.

Personal opinion has absolutely nothing to do with it and such abuse of the moderation tools would be taken extremely seriously :smile:
Original post by Paracosm
Nobody can delete content or ban people for personal reasons. This is an abuse of privilege and the person would simply be removed from the team. All of our Support Team are made to sign a volunteer agreement binding us to certain rules and procedures, we are also DBS checked. The employed moderators at TSRG have far more reach, responsibility and tools to let them do their job. They respond to the report queue, have moderation access to the whole site and on average deal with the majority of content. We’re not responsible for moderation like that - it’s simply something we can do as and when we see it. All decisions are logged and audited - mistakes are reversed and the person informed.

Personal opinion has absolutely nothing to do with it and such abuse of the moderation tools would be taken extremely seriously :smile:


To say personal opinion has nothing to do with it is an outright lie and I'm a bit offended you'd insult my and anyone else's intelligence by claiming that. Any level of power, imaginary (mod accounts on a forum) to real (teachers, police, politicians) are susceptible to it. It's human nature.

To be a mod you have to be using forums a lot, an unhealthy amount, so they know how to skirt the border so it can construed as what they're doing is acceptable, and you'll find mods will back each other up anyway because it's easier and it feels powerful as well to do this rather than challenge a peer. Human nature.
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Original post by ozzyoscy
To say personal opinion has nothing to do with it is an outright lie and I'm a bit offended you'd insult my and anyone else's intelligence by claiming that. Any level of power, imaginary (mod accounts on a forum) to real (teachers, police, politicians) are susceptible to it. It's human nature.

To be a mod you have to be using forums a lot, an unhealthy amount, so they know ho to skirt the border so it can construed as what they're doing is acceptable, and you'll find mods will back each other up anyway because it's easier and it feels powerful as well to do this rather than challenge a peer. Human nature.


That’s certainly your opinion. :smile:
Original post by Paracosm
That’s certainly your opinion. :smile:


It's not an opinion, it's factual. So politicians, teachers, police, all have a certain proportion of people who overstep the mark, but another bunch of people on a forum don't because they're extempt from human nature? This is the one forum on the internet that's free of dodginess?

I'm not a regular here any more but even still I've seen several community assistant whateveryacallits who just remove posts that disagree with them on-topic, or ask them to please for the love of God stop spamming a thread, or whatever else I haven't seen because said posts magically disappeared.

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