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Q: Find a formula for the following situation describing the set of possible location of the point Pj in cartesian coordinates
i) The distance from P1 to the point (1,3) is twice that from P1 to (-1,2)

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Reply 1
Is this what I am doing so far right?
(x-1)^2 + (y-3)^2 = 2((x+1)^2 + (y-2)^2)
Original post by Yiuyu
Is this what I am doing so far right?
(x-1)^2 + (y-3)^2 = 2((x+1)^2 + (y-2)^2)


Not quite.

The distance d1d_1 from P1P_1 to (1,3)(1,3) is given by (x1)2+(y3)2=d12(x-1)^2+(y-3)^2=d_1^2

Then distance d2d_2 from P1P_1 to (1,2)(-1,2) is given by (x+1)2+(y2)2=d22(x+1)^2+(y-2)^2=d_2^2

We know that d1=2d2d_1=2d_2

Carry on from there.
Reply 3
Original post by RDKGames
Not quite.

The distance d1d_1 from P1P_1 to (1,3)(1,3) is given by (x1)2+(y3)2=d12(x-1)^2+(y-3)^2=d_1^2

Then distance d2d_2 from P1P_1 to (1,2)(-1,2) is given by (x+1)2+(y2)2=d22(x+1)^2+(y-2)^2=d_2^2

We know that d1=2d2d_1=2d_2

Carry on from there.

With every example will I have to square root?
Reply 4
Original post by RDKGames
Not quite.

The distance d1d_1 from P1P_1 to (1,3)(1,3) is given by (x1)2+(y3)2=d12(x-1)^2+(y-3)^2=d_1^2

Then distance d2d_2 from P1P_1 to (1,2)(-1,2) is given by (x+1)2+(y2)2=d22(x+1)^2+(y-2)^2=d_2^2

We know that d1=2d2d_1=2d_2

Carry on from there.

Thats basically the same thing as I did though except square rooting?
Original post by Yiuyu
With every example will I have to square root?


Not sure what you mean. I would avoid square roots.
Reply 6
Original post by RDKGames
Not sure what you mean. I would avoid square roots.


So I expanded d1^2= x^2-2x+y^2-6y+10
and expanded d2^2=x^2+2x+y^2-4y+5
What do I do next?
Original post by Yiuyu
So I expanded d1^2= x^2-2x+y^2-6y+10
and expanded d2^2=x^2+2x+y^2-4y+5
What do I do next?


Merge the two somehow, using the fact how the two distances are related to each other.

You are aiming to end up with some sort of equation in terms of xx and yy (which is what is meant by Cartesian coordinates in your OP) and no dd involved.
Reply 8
Original post by RDKGames
Merge the two somehow, using the fact how the two distances are related to each other.

You are aiming to end up with some sort of equation in terms of xx and yy (which is what is meant by Cartesian coordinates in your OP) and no dd involved.


since d1=2d2 right can we do d1^2=4d2^2 and then replace the d1^2 with the 4d2^2?
Original post by Yiuyu
since d1=2d2 right can we do d1^2=4d2^2 and then replace the d1^2 with the 4d2^2?


Yep.
Reply 10
Original post by RDKGames
Yep.


What about this Q
The distance from P4 to the point (-5,3) is twice the distance from P4 to the line with equation 4x+3y+5=0
Reply 11
Reply 12
Original post by Yiuyu
What about this Q
The distance from P4 to the point (-5,3) is twice the distance from P4 to the line with equation 4x+3y+5=0


@RDKGames
Well Ik d1=2d2
which means d1^2=4d2^2
but how do i get d2?
Original post by Yiuyu
@RDKGames
Well Ik d1=2d2
which means d1^2=4d2^2
but how do i get d2?


A point on the line has coordinates (x,13(4x+5))(x,-\frac{1}{3}(4x+5))
Reply 14
Original post by RDKGames
A point on the line has coordinates (x,13(4x+5))(x,-\frac{1}{3}(4x+5))


Is that d2?
Original post by Yiuyu
Is that d2?


No, that's a point on the line.

d2d_2 would be the distance between P1P_1 and this point.

Though of course, since we are saying P1P_1 has coordinates (x,y)(x,y), it would be helpful to instead say that the point on the line is in fact (p,13(4p+5))(p,-\frac{1}{3}(4p+5)) for some pRp \in \mathbb{R}
Reply 16
Original post by RDKGames
No, that's a point on the line.

d2d_2 would be the distance between P1P_1 and this point.

Though of course, since we are saying P1P_1 has coordinates (x,y)(x,y), it would be helpful to instead say that the point on the line is in fact (p,13(4p+5))(p,-\frac{1}{3}(4p+5)) for some pRp \in \mathbb{R}

Ohh okayy yup! May I have a hint how to work out d2? Ive worked out d1 but dont know how to work out d2
Btw thank you so much for helping me
Original post by Yiuyu
Ohh okayy yup! May I have a hint how to work out d2? Ive worked out d1 but dont know how to work out d2
Btw thank you so much for helping me


Same method to work out d2d_2, just that you'd have your equation with a pp term.
Reply 18
Original post by RDKGames
Same method to work out d2d_2, just that you'd have your equation with a pp term.


Well the distance d1d_1 from P1P_1 to (5,3)(-5,3) is given by (x+5)2+(y3)2=d12(x+5)^2+(y-3)^2=d_1^2

I dont get how I'd use the same method? Like how am I supposed to get the values?
Original post by Yiuyu
Well the distance d1d_1 from P1P_1 to (5,3)(-5,3) is given by (x+5)2+(y3)2=d12(x+5)^2+(y-3)^2=d_1^2

I dont get how I'd use the same method? Like how am I supposed to get the values?


Well you're looking for the distance d2d_2 from P1P_1 to (p,13(4p+5))(p,-\frac{1}{3}(4p+5)) which is given by...?

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