Would a more centrist Labour be polling higher now?

All you are doing is putting your fingers in your eyes and going la la la.

You say that I've said stuff that I haven't, then keep on about not understanding what I've said. Seriously, do you have mental health problems?

You mistaken you misrepresenting what I've said for me "poorly backing it up".

I've not insulted you. I've asked a serious question. Do you have mental health issues, it would explain your lack of reasoning, and your continual habit of posting stuff which is INCORRECT.

Why do you do that?

I think that Labour needs to start to appeal to people looking to buy houses. One thing I notice is that its always the Tories introducing new policies to help people get on the housing ladder and Labour will cap rents but they are ignoring why people rent in the first place which is because its far too hard/risky to get on the housing ladder. I would suggest that Corbyn adopt a policy of a £0 deposit mortgage with £0 extra costs as well because many people can afford to pay the monthly mortgage payments as they are lower than their rent payments but can't save much due to the high rents they have to pay. They could also massively increase mortgage security by saying they will pay mortgage payments if you become unemployed - considering that mortgage payments are often less than rent this could save the Government money because they would have to pay the housing benefit if the house is repossessed and they then end up renting a house.

You make a very good point here and Labour could be missing a trick by not implementing measures to increase home ownership. The party fails to realise that most people who rent privately do so not through choice but through lack of choice. The majority want to be homeowners.

Unfortunately you forget that an awful lot of socialism (and therefore socialists) is against private property. So, how much do you "dilute" the brand just to get votes? (You might want to check out the last time Labour were in power.

You also have to factor in Labour bailing out the Too Big To Fails, that protected a lot of BTLers, as well as the idiots who got VRM for their houses. You wonder why interest rates have been low? Prices can't go down, because some people will be stuck in negative equity, so that means no new houses (the old S&D) Labour caused the homeless problem (my first time being homeless was under Blair).

Also, the Conversatives didn't "give us" a referendum, it was a manifesto pledge (which probably got them in), they won, so they had to deliever the promised referendum.

If Labour did not bail out the banks, there would have been a run on the banks and they would have fallen like dominoes, bringing the global economy crashing down with them.
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That's not true. If they didn't bail them out, Britain would be through the worst of it. The idea that the whole global economy would have tanked due to a couple of banks is a bit silly.

The real reason the banks were bailed out, is because a load of middle class socialists would have been forced to down size. And they'd rather the lower third would suffer.

It was not just a couple of banks. The whole world's financial markets were highly integrated and a couple of them collapsing would have caused a domino effect. People who had their life savings in banks would have lost everything.

If Bank A owes Bank B hundreds of millions and Bank A goes bust, then Bank B is likely to go bust. Then whoever Bank B owes money too goes bust. Etc. People panic and rush to the banks to get their money out and the banks don't have anywhere near enough.

We don't even need to imagine what would have happened. Just research the 1920s.

Then again, I don't know if a more centrist leader would be as popular with younger voters.

We seem to be in a similar position to 2005, an unpopular government with an equally unpopular opposition.

Thoughts?

seeing as a large chunk of traditional Labour voters now vote UKIP, similar, or Tory , then lab are screwed - they need to stop just being for the middle classes

I think that Labour needs to start to appeal to people looking to buy houses. One thing I notice is that its always the Tories introducing new policies to help people get on the housing ladder and Labour will cap rents but they are ignoring why people rent in the first place which is because its far too hard/risky to get on the housing ladder. I would suggest that Corbyn adopt a policy of a £0 deposit mortgage with £0 extra costs as well because many people can afford to pay the monthly mortgage payments as they are lower than their rent payments but can't save much due to the high rents they have to pay. They could also massively increase mortgage security by saying they will pay mortgage payments if you become unemployed - considering that mortgage payments are often less than rent this could save the Government money because they would have to pay the housing benefit if the house is repossessed and they then end up renting a house.

and maybe if they got rid of the retards in Labour that are constantly popping up on mainstream TV shows, well, maybe then people would stop mocking them