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Original post by ChaoticButterfly

Venezualua is a totally different country with totally different problems. We aren't for example totally reliant on oil exports


What are you smoking? Venezuela has the biggest proven oil reserves ON THE ENTIRE PLANET.

We should be so lucky to have an economy totally reliant on oil exports. You do know it is a good thing to be awash with oil, right?

More oil than Saudi Arabia and the people starve. Socialism in a nutshell.

VENEZUELA
Proven oil reserves in 2013 (billion barrels): 297.6. Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,489.2
Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia last year to become the holder of the largest oil reserves in the world.

http://geab.eu/en/top-10-countries-with-the-worlds-biggest-oil-reserves/
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Original post by generallee
What are you smoking? Venezuela has the biggest proven oil reserves ON THE ENTIRE PLANET.

We should be so lucky to have an economy totally reliant on oil exports. You do know it is a good thing to be awash with oil, right?

More oil than Saudi Arabia and the people starve. Socialism in a nutshell.

VENEZUELA
Proven oil reserves in 2013 (billion barrels): 297.6. Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,489.2
Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia last year to become the holder of the largest oil reserves in the world.

http://geab.eu/en/top-10-countries-with-the-worlds-biggest-oil-reserves/


Half right.
Venezuela might have a lot of oil but the quality of oil it has is **** compared to Saudi's, it is far heavier and thus requires more time and effort to refine. so its somewhat harder to compare the two countries in this respect. Not to mention their infrastructure is garbage there compared to the Gulf countries.
Long story short lots of oil doesnt benefit you very much if people would rather buy it somewhere else.
Original post by generallee
What are you smoking? Venezuela has the biggest proven oil reserves ON THE ENTIRE PLANET.

We should be so lucky to have an economy totally reliant on oil exports. You do know it is a good thing to be awash with oil, right?

More oil than Saudi Arabia and the people starve. Socialism in a nutshell.

VENEZUELA
Proven oil reserves in 2013 (billion barrels): 297.6. Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,489.2
Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia last year to become the holder of the largest oil reserves in the world.

http://geab.eu/en/top-10-countries-with-the-worlds-biggest-oil-reserves/


Socialism isn’t the cancer you make it out to be
Original post by the bear
well i don't think that the Green Party organised this shameful attack on democracy.


And where is your evidence that Corbyn had anything to do with it?

Can we please just stop with this "guilt by association" rubbish where anyone of any particular political persuasion automatically becomes responsible for every questionable thing done by any other people with vaguely similar politics. It's stupid no matter what political issue it's applied to.

Political ideologies are not hive minds.
Original post by RF_PineMarten
And where is your evidence that Corbyn had anything to do with it?

Can we please just stop with this "guilt by association" rubbish where anyone of any particular political persuasion automatically becomes responsible for every questionable thing done by any other people with vaguely similar politics. It's stupid no matter what political issue it's applied to.

Political ideologies are not hive minds.


That not how people treated UKIP
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Original post by paul514
That not how people treated UKIP


Whataboutery, really?
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Whataboutery, really?


It’s called holding a mirror up
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Original post by paul514
It’s called holding a mirror up


tu quoque..
Original post by RF_PineMarten
Political ideologies are not hive minds.


i would beg to differ. the socialist/leninist ethos is entirely about replacing individual responsibility with collectivism. we will soon find this out first hand unless the Tories can get their **** together.
Original post by generallee
Talk to when they have won a working majority. You guys should be doing a lot better considering how dreadful this government is, and how divided.

Even if Corbyn and the complete loonies alongside him do win an election the left will be the losers. It will be such a catastrophic administration that Labour will be out of power for a generation.

Hard left governments are ALWAYS disasters. Ask the poor, suffering people of Venezuela.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy/venezuela-announces-99-6-percent-devaluation-of-official-forex-rate-idUSKBN1FP2WK


On what planet would Corbyns government be considered far left
It's incredible how Rees-Mogg himself has only objected to the protectors wearing masks (which I myself also object to). Otherwise he's called protests like this a healthy part of democracy and to be expected.

He's also highlighted how most people who saw his speech wanted to listen and have a reasoned debate, and that it was only a small minority who got, in his words 'shouty'. But not violent. Big difference

Notice on the video that it was the man standing next to him who decided to shove his hand in a woman's face and begin a tussle.

Given that he dresses up in Nazi regalia at family functions, this pretty much sums him up.

It's amazing how the far-right, extreme proto-fascist brigade want to blame all the problems on The Left (which is one united, pulsating entity of course) and use it as an example to clamp down on legitimate protest.

Listen to The Mogg you absolute fools and respect the functions of democracy. Oh wait you don't, you want an authoritarian far-right corporate state where you somehow believe you will benefit.

Shame on you.

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On what planet would Corbyns government be considered far left


The same planet where selling off every single national asset possible and enriching your friends and donors is seen as the only legitimate way to run a country.
Original post by Moosferatu
It's incredible how Rees-Mogg himself has only objected to the protectors wearing masks (which I myself also object to). Otherwise he's called protests like this a healthy part of democracy and to be expected.

He's also highlighted how most people who saw his speech wanted to listen and have a reasoned debate, and that it was only a small minority who got, in his words 'shouty'. But not violent. Big difference

Notice on the video that it was the man standing next to him who decided to shove his hand in a woman's face and begin a tussle.

Given that he dresses up in Nazi regalia at family functions, this pretty much sums him up.

It's amazing how the far-right, extreme proto-fascist brigade want to blame all the problems on The Left (which is one united, pulsating entity of course) and use it as an example to clamp down on legitimate protest.

Listen to The Mogg you absolute fools and respect the functions of democracy. Oh wait you don't, you want an authoritarian far-right corporate state where you somehow believe you will benefit.

Shame on you.

The same planet where selling off every single national asset possible and enriching your friends and donors is seen as the only legitimate way to run a country.


Calm down dear.

No one is saying you can’t protest, this was about the image of the people with the balaclavas and more importantly the no platforming of JRM.

That isn’t a right they have, they don’t get to decide what other people can say and hear.

They have the right to protest outside or to come in and debate the speaker which is far more effective.
Original post by paul514
Calm down dear.

No one is saying you can’t protest, this was about the image of the people with the balaclavas and more importantly the no platforming of JRM.

That isn’t a right they have, they don’t get to decide what other people can say and hear.

They have the right to protest outside or to come in and debate the speaker which is far more effective.


Cheap shot. Are you trying to imitate David Cameron? :rolleyes:

Why should anyone outside the little Tory elitist bubble be calm about the way the country is going/has gone? People are literally dying as a result of some of the "reforms" going on. I know that is a bitter pill to swallow, and it doesn't excuse any form of violence, but it needs to be taken into consideration to read the mood of your opposition.

I disagree with the masks and their method of protest actually. But what I also disagree with are far right proto-fascists twisting the whole story to suit their agenda. And that's what people who use terms like 'Trotskyist Thugs' use, as if we're in the middle of the Red Scare. The debacle is currently being used by Theresa May as a springboard to push through tighter anti-protest (against the government) legislation.

I know nothing about your political affiliation but I'll wait and see if you have the same stance on right-wing protests when one comes along :wink:

I knew they weren't going to hit me. There were three hundred people here who wanted to engage in a serious debate and discussion, there were four or five people who wanted to shout – but they only wanted to shout. They weren’t physically threatening. A little bit of shouting doesn’t do anybody any harm… I take a very relaxed view of it. If I felt threatened I wouldn’t have gone up to talk to them. They’re British, they weren’t going to do me any harm. They disagree with me, they disapprove of everything I stand for, but they are good, honest British citizens. They weren’t going to hit me.


Nobody tried to attack him. His Nazi-sympathising comrade starts the fight in the video.

Maybe they should just Calm Down, Dear :rolleyes:
Original post by Moosferatu
Nobody tried to attack him. His Nazi-sympathising comrade starts the fight in the video.

Maybe they should just Calm Down, Dear :rolleyes:


This isn’t about being calm it’s about allowing political debate which is the cornerstone of our democracy.

Right wing protesters simply don’t do this at left wing meetings.
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Original post by paul514
This isn’t about being calm it’s about allowing political debate which is the cornerstone of our democracy.

Right wing protesters simply don’t do this at left wing meetings.


Probably because right wing people refuse to engage in debate with left wing people and would rather just call them cucks on the interweb.
Original post by That Bearded Man
On what planet would Corbyns government be considered far left


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Original post by the bear


Very drole
In fairness to the poster though one assumes he meant he is nowhere near as far left as say the premier of the USSR or such.
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Very drole
In fairness to the poster though one assumes he meant he is nowhere near as far left as say the premier of the USSR or such.


Jez can only dream of the unfettered power of Vlad.
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Original post by the bear
Jez can only dream of the unfettered power of Vlad.


I will not hear a bad word against Premier Putin :fuhrer:
Original post by paul514
This isn’t about being calm it’s about allowing political debate which is the cornerstone of our democracy.

Right wing protesters simply don’t do this at left wing meetings.


That was my whole point, we seem to be in some agreement. As I said wearing masks never helped their case, merely that you can't accuse them of violence or being militant Trotskyists as is lazily spat out by some individuals. They were people with a chip on their shoulder going about their grievances in the wrong way, not some internationalist Soviet plot as the OP portrays it.

That's a sweeping generalisation reinforced by wishful thinking and you know it is. You're telling me there is no one on the right of the political spectrum who behaves like a thug?

I suppose smear tactics, death threats, etc. are exclusively a left-wing phenomena?

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