Labour discussing plans to include trans women on women only shortlists

That’s not what this quote is saying, it’s saying that it’s much more easy to get into politics as a white man than it is for a transgender woman. So people implying men will self identify as a woman to get some kind of extra help in achieving their career goals is counter productive.

I disagree that it is rigged on favour of white men. I personally think (im happy to be proved wrong) that in some cases white men are held to a higher standard than other demographics. If a white man had said the kind of things that Diane Abbot and Emma Dent Coad have said, they would be fired.


Just for balance. George Osbourne should have lost his editor job over his Theresa May freezer comments
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Why shouldn't we normalise mental illness?

I wouldn’t say rigged, but politics is still a very white male world. People would be much more likely to vote for a white man than a transgender woman.

I agree there are some areas that men are held to a higher standard, like with the sexual harassment claims atm. Some are very justified, but it must be an unnerving time to be a man in a position of power right now, even if they are innocent. Once claim can ruin a career, family, life.

However in high up positions, the large amount of white men is very high. That’s not to say they aren’t good at their jobs and didn’t earn it, but it’s a question of why there aren’t woman who are as qualified or as experienced, as they are certainly as capable.

However in high up positions, the large amount of white men is very high. That’s not to say they aren’t good at their jobs and didn’t earn it, but it’s a question of why there aren’t woman who are as qualified or as experienced, as they are certainly as capable.

What’s your detention of high up positions in this debate may I ask? Business (in which case you have a point) or politics, because in politics all major parities apart from Labour in the U.K either have a female leader or a female deputy leader.

I was meaning high up positions in companies (business), but politics have definitely stepped up the equality game. House of commons is still a sausage fest though!

Like the two female Prime Ministers and 3 of the 4 Home Secretaries in the last 10 years?

As for being "white". The vast majority of the country is white. The vast majority of people participating in politics are white. It stands to reason that the majority of people in the higher echelons of politics will be white.

I’m aware of all of those things you’ve stated but thanks for the lesson. Of the 75 prime ministers we’ve had, 2 have been female. Things are improving, doesn’t mean it’s all equal now we’ve had a few woman be successful.

I am inclined to agree with you this seems male heavy. However, I think more research needs to be done. So who applied for the role, and things like that?

There is also a case (albiet a shaky one) that men tend to take more risks than women, and thus are possibly more likely to attempt to start up a company. I know this is a long shot.

If they were women i might be inclined to agree. Alas a man in drag does not a women make so why should one be allowed on the female shortlist?

So - a party led by a man; suspends a woman who supports women; for being opposed to men who say they're women getting on to a list that is only for women.

I was meaning high up positions in companies (business), but politics have definitely stepped up the equality game. House of commons is still a sausage fest though!

and? just because something is not 50/50 or close it does not meant that something is wrong, women have the option they just need to run and be electable

Honestly I think it starts as far back as boys being encouraged more to be academic and girls to follow more creative paths. Attitudes are definitely changing, but at every turn people take on their path to a career it’s second guessing yourself as a woman. I think a lot of that stems from the small number of woman who have done it before. How many girls parents told them that politics is a mans game, and she gave up the dream before trying?

Men would be less likely to be confident in a field that’s dominated by woman (though that’s just an assumption). Finding out how you flow in a system that already has the whole thing sussed is scary, even if you’re a confident and capable person.

TL;DR it’s not as surface level as job interviews or promotion, but the seeds of doubt that have been planted in girls who feel like they aren’t good enough to play the boys game, so they give up before trying.

I find it much more likely that people will look back on this short period of time and think of us as utter morons for the social ideas we let take hold.

Funny idea but how about we keep Women only shortlists for you know... actual women.

Time will tell.

If we do look back unfavourably it will be because we slided back into Fascism -___-