Why do women want gender equality in the workplace, but not in dating?
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If you want to get a clear view on the mind of feminists/women in general, avoid dating apps: Tinder, okcupid, even Bumble are full of accounts that are just pictures and no detailsin the about me section (or just instagram/snapchat details). These women aren't interested in dating, but want the "rush" of having people interested in them. Ideally these apps would remove inactive profiles from the search matrix and notify you if someone "swiped left" with a reason why, say a women wasn't interested because you're under 6 foot (shallow, but that's the dating world) at least you'd know where to improve yourself (or in this case, move on to someone that isn't shallow)
[Generalisation warning] Most women are interested in preferential equality not true equality. Case in point: Car insurance in the UK, a few years ago it was deemed illegal for insurance companies to charge men more than women, so the insurance companies chose to raise the price for women to meet the price that men were charged. This was met with outcry from women, but this was the natural outcome from a companies perspective.
[Generalisation warning] Most women are interested in preferential equality not true equality. Case in point: Car insurance in the UK, a few years ago it was deemed illegal for insurance companies to charge men more than women, so the insurance companies chose to raise the price for women to meet the price that men were charged. This was met with outcry from women, but this was the natural outcome from a companies perspective.
Original post by snowman77
They control the rules for 2 reasons - lower sex drive and popular culture.
Male sex drive is higher than female sex drive. There have been numerous studies to prove this - women think about sex less, have fewer sexual fantasies, they masturbate far less, they visit prostitutes/escorts far less, they want casual sex far less.
In popular culture and media, men are consistently portrayed as the ones who chase the woman. Young girls grow up with this and most of them are too stupid not to be brainwashed by it.
Male sex drive is higher than female sex drive. There have been numerous studies to prove this - women think about sex less, have fewer sexual fantasies, they masturbate far less, they visit prostitutes/escorts far less, they want casual sex far less.
In popular culture and media, men are consistently portrayed as the ones who chase the woman. Young girls grow up with this and most of them are too stupid not to be brainwashed by it.
That’s true.
Original post by snowman77
She can also pay, can't she? Why does the man have to pay?
By your logic, if she's not paying then she doesn't care about the relationship.
It was fine 50-100 years ago, because even though the man paid, the woman made up for it in other ways. Gender roles were clearly defined. These days, women are so lazy (especially young women) that they still expect the man to do all the manly duties like ask her out and pay for a date, but at the same time shirk any of the typical female responsibilities.
I hear in cultures like Latino and Asian, gender roles are still widely prevalent. The man is expected to be a man, and the woman is expected to be a woman. There is no confusion. The issue has come in Western society, where women are acting more and more like men, not wanting the negative responsibilities associated with being a woman, but still complaining that there "aren't any real men" anymore. It's pathetic.
By your logic, if she's not paying then she doesn't care about the relationship.
It was fine 50-100 years ago, because even though the man paid, the woman made up for it in other ways. Gender roles were clearly defined. These days, women are so lazy (especially young women) that they still expect the man to do all the manly duties like ask her out and pay for a date, but at the same time shirk any of the typical female responsibilities.
I hear in cultures like Latino and Asian, gender roles are still widely prevalent. The man is expected to be a man, and the woman is expected to be a woman. There is no confusion. The issue has come in Western society, where women are acting more and more like men, not wanting the negative responsibilities associated with being a woman, but still complaining that there "aren't any real men" anymore. It's pathetic.
Sure.
Original post by Unkilled
Sure.
Original post by snowman77
So you agree with me?
Yeah.
Original post by Unkilled
Yeah.
Original post by Tiger Rag
What a judgemental bunch of "men" you are. We don't all expect our dates to pay.
I mean pretty much this.
People are getting wires crossed and not realising that the women who expect to have their dates paid for, and the ones who campaign for gender equality at the workplace are for the most part, two separate groups of women.
Original post by snowman77
It is still a gender thing. Ever heard of the phrase "ladies first" in relation to letting people through doors?
You might open doors, but most women do not. And the ones who do are often 60+ years old. I've never had a woman below the age of ~35 hold a door open for me (not that I can remember anyway). But they still expect it from men.
I actually get a lot of men open doors for me (in my own personal experience, men are more polite to me than women).
You might open doors, but most women do not. And the ones who do are often 60+ years old. I've never had a woman below the age of ~35 hold a door open for me (not that I can remember anyway). But they still expect it from men.
I actually get a lot of men open doors for me (in my own personal experience, men are more polite to me than women).
I wish men would want to go through a door that I open for them. Literally every time I try 'nono you go first' and I'm just like okay thanks great nothing will change. We do NOT expect you to hold the door at all. Most men simply think it is their moral duty for some reason. Most women would prefer if everyone just opened the door themselves and not made such a hassle about it, and then preferably not used it in their 'oppressed men movement'. Because quite frankly, there are far more worse things that men are oppressed about than having to open the door.
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Original post by Nerry
i told you - women don't want 'equality', they want superiority
Women do want equality in all aspects of life style, be that the workplace or dating. Most women want this and all all feminists want this ( men are feminists too ) it is sickening to read your comment that is utterly incorrect and is flat out ignorant.
Original post by RitzKidz
I wish men would want to go through a door that I open for them. Literally every time I try 'nono you go first' and I'm just like okay thanks great nothing will change. We do NOT expect you to hold the door at all. Most men simply think it is their moral duty for some reason. Most women would prefer if everyone just opened the door themselves and not made such a hassle about it, and then preferably not used it in their 'oppressed men movement'. Because quite frankly, there are far more worse things that men are oppressed about than having to open the door.
Worst thing is when they open and hold the door when you aren’t even close and they just stand there looking fed up and you feel pressured to sonic speed walk to the door.
Original post by Pen.Meg
Women do want equality in all aspects of life style, be that the workplace or dating. Most women want this and all all feminists want this ( men are feminists too ) it is sickening to read your comment that is utterly incorrect and is flat out ignorant.
Women don't want equality in dating because that would mean having to do things they don't want to do. However, they do want equality in areas where they feel inferior to men. Just not in areas where they feel superior (i.e. dating).
"Men" in UK society just aren't men anymore.
Look at you and these "men" complaining about asking women out and taking women on dates. And you want women to do all of this and yet you want to be the "man" in the relationship. umm, okay.
Women go through tough period pains, 9 months of pregnancy and intense labor but just a simple rejection it's enough to want to hurt yourself???
lmao...Talk about the "stronger sex" ..bs.
Look at you and these "men" complaining about asking women out and taking women on dates. And you want women to do all of this and yet you want to be the "man" in the relationship. umm, okay.
Women go through tough period pains, 9 months of pregnancy and intense labor but just a simple rejection it's enough to want to hurt yourself???
lmao...Talk about the "stronger sex" ..bs.
Original post by snowman77
So why do women still expect the man to ask her out? As well as all the other things I listed in the first post.
Women don't want equality in dating because that would mean having to do things they don't want to do. However, they do want equality in areas where they feel inferior to men. Just not in areas where they feel superior (i.e. dating).
Women don't want equality in dating because that would mean having to do things they don't want to do. However, they do want equality in areas where they feel inferior to men. Just not in areas where they feel superior (i.e. dating).
I have never expected a man to ask me out.
Original post by loveleest
"Men" in UK society just aren't men anymore.
Look at you and these "men" complaining about asking women out and taking women on dates. And you want women to do all of this and yet you want to be the "man" in the relationship. umm, okay.
Women go through tough period pains, 9 months of pregnancy and intense labor but just a simple rejection it's enough to want to hurt yourself???
lmao...Talk about the "stronger sex" ..bs.
Look at you and these "men" complaining about asking women out and taking women on dates. And you want women to do all of this and yet you want to be the "man" in the relationship. umm, okay.
Women go through tough period pains, 9 months of pregnancy and intense labor but just a simple rejection it's enough to want to hurt yourself???
lmao...Talk about the "stronger sex" ..bs.
Original post by loveleest
Why can't you ask first?. Aren't you a "man?"
Correct me if i am wrong, but I thought we were pushing for equality of both genders. I thought you were a feminist.
Some women have been fierce about equality to the point of “we don't need men”. Yet some women, like you, want men to do these things without them making much effort.
Original post by Wired_1800
Correct me if i am wrong, but I thought we were pushing for equality of both genders. I thought you were a feminist.
I was going to jump on her for that and had to resist the urge
Original post by Tiger Rag
I have never expected a man to ask me out.
If you want something, you go out and get it. Women want to be strong independent minded and forge careers for themselves. So why can't they be strong confident women and ask out the man they want?
Original post by Wired_1800
Correct me if i am wrong, but I thought we were pushing for equality of both genders. I thought you were a feminist.
Some women have been fierce about equality to the point of “we don't need men”. Yet some women, like you, want men to do these things without them making much effort.
Some women have been fierce about equality to the point of “we don't need men”. Yet some women, like you, want men to do these things without them making much effort.
No, guys here are not asking for "equality". They straight up want women to pay for dates, take them out, approach first. How is that equal? They want every women to do all the work and then if you are a girl with standards, like me then you get labelled as a "fake feminist"
Original post by snowman77
That's good that you are like that. But most women will wait and wait and wait. And give subtle hints here and there, but never actually ask a man out.
If you want something, you go out and get it. Women want to be strong independent minded and forge careers for themselves. So why can't they be strong confident women and ask out the man they want?
If you want something, you go out and get it. Women want to be strong independent minded and forge careers for themselves. So why can't they be strong confident women and ask out the man they want?
I'll never ask a man out. And yes there are other women out there that won't. Move on and date the women that ask you out then....
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