Should gender neutral/non-binary be a thing?

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I think you should look up the definitions of 'sex' and 'gender'. Only the former has anything to do with genitalia.

well i'm sure that your sex determines your gender and so does your genitalia - if you disagree then thats fine but that is my personal opinion

Reply 21

k.n.h.

Original post by Heidi_16

well in that case they're not transgender

A transgender is a person who doesn't conform to their gender and thinks they are another, they don't have to get their genitals changed..
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/transgender

I've never heard of a trans person with changed genitals, and this practice does involve mutilation, which is still up for debate as it is widely seen as an unethical and painful process (I agree with this opinion). That's why very little people are heard that they have gone through genital surgery.

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Reply 22

username2981082

I don't really understand the gender neutral/non-binary labels but if people wish to identify under them, then I don't see why they should not be allowed to. They aren't hurting their selves or anyone else by doing so. Therefore, there is no logical reason to have a problem with it.

Reply 23

username2981082

Original post by beckycraig1234

why? they are stupid you're either male or female, not a unicorn or an alien or it.

if you have a vagina then you're a female
if you have a penis then you're a male

your friend is an idiot, clearly do it for attention. society will complain at anything and everything. bring back hitler

I don't think you should be calling other people idiots when you can't grasp basic grammar.

Reply 24

Heidi_16

Original post by k.n.h.

A transgender is a person who doesn't conform to their biological gender and thinks they are another, they don't have to get their genitals changed..
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/transgender

I've never heard of a trans person with changed genitals, and this practice does involve mutilation, which is still up for debate as it is widely seen as an unethical and painful process (I agree with this opinion). That's why very little people are heard that they have gone through genital surgery.

I have heard of many different people who have gone through the surgery of changing their genitals

Reply 25

jdddd

I don't care if you have nothing else going on in your life that you associate with non binary but don't force people to use your stupid little 'pronouns', maybe people aren't referring to your gender, but, your sex, whats the argument for that as there are only two sexes.

Reply 26

k.n.h.

Original post by Heidi_16

I have heard of many different people who have gone through the surgery of changing their genitals

The people who don't and feel that they are a different gender are still 'transgender' then. And what is your opinion on genital surgery? If you're replacing genitalia, in most cases, wouldn't that be mutilation?

Reply 27

Heidi_16

Original post by constantine2016

I agree with this, it is just the fact that some of them try to force their beliefs on to people who do not agree with the whole non-binary thing

Reply 28

Heidi_16

Original post by k.n.h.

No, i don't believe it to be mutilation as the individuals are consenting to it, if they did not want it to happen then in that case yes.

Reply 29

del1rious

No, it’s nonsense. Everyone is a biological man or woman (or intersex but that’s a different matter), no amount of binding, hormones or surgeries will ever change that.

I am a woman, some days I like to wear make up and spend hours on my hair, some days I like to wear my husbands pyjamas and lay in bed all day playing video games. Does that make me gender neutral? No, it means I’m a woman who enjoys doing non-typical woman things.

It’s pathetic, a few years ago it was fashionable for teens to be anorexic. This has now been replaced with gender confusion.

Reply 30

Heidi_16

Original post by jdddd

But what if people are happier identifying as a different gender?

Reply 31

del1rious

Original post by k.n.h.

It depends on your definition. If say you deemed someone cutting off a perfectly healthy arm as mutilation, then yes gender reassignment is indeed mutilation.

Reply 32

Heidi_16

Original post by del1rious

I have the same opinion - i feel as though maybe it is a trend and the fact people are forcing this on to their newborn children by not giving them a gender is stupid

Reply 33

del1rious

Original post by Heidi_16

No, i don't believe it to be mutilation as the individuals are consenting to it, if they did not want it to happen then in that case yes.

If I consented to cutting my perfectly healthy leg off would you see that as mutilation? Self mutilation is a thing, consent doesn’t play a part imo

Reply 34

Good bloke

Original post by Heidi_16

well i'm sure that your sex determines your gender and so does your genitalia - if you disagree then thats fine but that is my personal opinion

Your sex is determined by what genitalia and DNA you have. Men have penes, women have vaginas. There are some unfortunate individuals with choromosomal defects and malformed genitalia who we might call intersex, but let's leave them aside - they are very rare indeed.

However, gender is a rather nebulous concept (outside grammar) in which any man can declare himself to be of the female gender, or of none, apparently. The motivation to do so often springs from something called gender dysphoria which appears to be a troubled mental state.

He obviously cannot sensibly declare himself to be a woman as he doesn't have the right components, but he can express solidarity with women and dress and act like a woman in some respects - and thus declare himself to be of the female gender. Some individuals like this undergo surgery to complete the illusion that they are of the opposite sex. But some individuals have had similar extreme cosmetic surgery to try and make them look very odd indeed.

https://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/7-examples-of-extreme-plastic-surgery

Reply 35

jdddd

Original post by Heidi_16

But what if people are happier identifying as a different gender?

Sex and gender are slightly different. So, why can't I refer to your sex and not gender?

Reply 36

Heidi_16

Original post by del1rious

If I consented to cutting my perfectly healthy leg off would you see that as mutilation? Self mutilation is a thing, consent doesn’t play a part imo

No cutting your leg off is completely different

Reply 37

unicurse

It's nonsense without any credible evidence behind it. Dr. Jordan Peterson has addressed this subject very well recently, and the responses from the activists with an interest in pushing this agenda was very telling indeed.

Reply 38

del1rious

Original post by Heidi_16

I have the same opinion - i feel as though maybe it is a trend and the fact people are forcing this on to their newborn children by not giving them a gender is stupid

It’s not just stupid it’s downright abuse. The next step is parents chemically castrating their young children who claim to be the opposite sex (all children probably do this naturally at some point).

Seriously what’s the big deal with treating your child like their biologically assigned sex? It hasn’t caused any harm to humanity so far has it? Oh wait, we need to adjust the universally accepted system of truth and logic to appease the beliefs of a few people who want to cut their genitals off. And this is progress HOW?