The media has portrayed a killer of 17 innocent people as a victim!
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It's important to try and understand criminals so as to understand what leads them to crime. Whilst criminals like him should not be portrayed as a victim as he has clearly made his own choices, we should be doing more as a society to prevent young people becoming like him. In this sense, his background is important.
Nevertheless I completely get that PoC aren't given the same treatment which is clearly a problem.
Nevertheless I completely get that PoC aren't given the same treatment which is clearly a problem.
Well seeing as all this is "relevant" to the trial. I want to know what he ate for the breakfast the morning he killed 17 people.
No one is making him a victim, people just want to know why this happened. They want something in his life to confirm that this is an evil person, because that way it’s less scary than realising that kid could be anyone in our lives.
Looking into his past also helps prevent this happening in the future, to see early warning signs and figure out if there’s a way we can intervene before the point of a massacre.
People falsely label muslims as terrorists all the time, the solution isn’t to falsely label everyone as terrorists. Whether the attack was politically motivated will show in time.
Looking into his past also helps prevent this happening in the future, to see early warning signs and figure out if there’s a way we can intervene before the point of a massacre.
People falsely label muslims as terrorists all the time, the solution isn’t to falsely label everyone as terrorists. Whether the attack was politically motivated will show in time.
Original post by erratic_deus
This is what I'm seeing right now!
That isn't portraying him as a victim. Thats just a background of the suspect lol.
Original post by erratic_deus
Well seeing as all this is "relevant" to the trial. I want to know what he ate for the breakfast the morning he killed 17 people.
It’s relevent in the sense that the police want to build up a picture of his life in order to see if they can find anything that might have made him turn into a killer (i stress that nine of the events that had happened automatically make you a killer) breakfast doesn’t fall into this category.
Original post by erratic_deus
None of the background affects whether or not he can tell right from wrong.
The electric chair isn't too nice but ethnic minorities have been sentenced to the chair for crimes such as aggravated robbery or rape which is why it seems "too little".
Furthermore the US is really weird with their sentencing. What good is saying 175 years? A white male got life in prison for sexually abusing over 160 women (Larry Nassar) and a young girl got the same sentence as him for killing her rapist (Cyntoia Brown)
The electric chair isn't too nice but ethnic minorities have been sentenced to the chair for crimes such as aggravated robbery or rape which is why it seems "too little".
Furthermore the US is really weird with their sentencing. What good is saying 175 years? A white male got life in prison for sexually abusing over 160 women (Larry Nassar) and a young girl got the same sentence as him for killing her rapist (Cyntoia Brown)
Whilst background won't affect a person's ability to tell right from wrong, the environment they are brought up in may affect a person's definition of right and wrong.
Furthermore, whilst clearly far more than a lapse in judgement an unstable mental state, circumstances may have also contributed to his decision to commit the crime.
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Original post by cat_mac
No one is making him a victim, people just want to know why this happened. They want something in his life to confirm that this is an evil person, because that way it’s less scary than realising that kid could be anyone in our lives.
Looking into his past also helps prevent this happening in the future, to see early warning signs and figure out if there’s a way we can intervene before the point of a massacre.
People falsely label muslims as terrorists all the time, the solution isn’t to falsely label everyone as terrorists. Whether the attack was politically motivated will show in time.
Looking into his past also helps prevent this happening in the future, to see early warning signs and figure out if there’s a way we can intervene before the point of a massacre.
People falsely label muslims as terrorists all the time, the solution isn’t to falsely label everyone as terrorists. Whether the attack was politically motivated will show in time.
What you're talking about makes no sense at all.
How is losing your mother to a sickness at age 18 - a warning sign?
How is having autism - a warning sign?
How is being adopted - a warning sign?
These aren't warning signs, these are "the media is making him out to be a victim of circumstance sign".
Original post by erratic_deus
Why don't you agree with the death penalty?
You assume that humans have free will.Thats a very big assumption.Now let's just take it for granted that there is no God.That means that humans are just collections of atoms governed by the same forces as everything else.Which means everything is cause and effect.Given that fact there cannot be such a thing as free will.Everything a murderer does is just a result of forces and atoms acting together.He didn't really have a choice in the matter.If you had his brain and his genetics and his experiences then you'd likely be a murderer too.Perhaps you should consider that before you go using the electric chair on people?
Original post by George____t
Whilst background won't affect a person's ability to tell right from wrong, the environment they are brought up in may affect a person's definition of right and wrong. Whilst clearly far more than a lapse in judgement an unstable mental state, due to circumstances may have contributed to his decision to commit the crime.
Hmm.
He's 19.
He applied for a gun.
If he didn't know right from wrong then how did he pass the tests and obtain a gun legally?
The one thing American media or politicians will never do is suggest vaguely sane measures to reduce gun violence. Consequently they have to come up with finger pointing at virtually anything else that might be the "cause" of the problem.
They've pointed the finger at:
Jazz/rap/any music made by black musicians (Jazz was literally called Devil's music at one point).
Violent movies/television
Dungeons and Dragons
Video games
The list goes on it just so happens they've struck upon something that actually IS a problem that they can point at. Not that they'll actually do anything to help people with mental health issues, but the more they point at that the less the conversation will be about even basic gun control.
They've pointed the finger at:
Jazz/rap/any music made by black musicians (Jazz was literally called Devil's music at one point).
Violent movies/television
Dungeons and Dragons
Video games
The list goes on it just so happens they've struck upon something that actually IS a problem that they can point at. Not that they'll actually do anything to help people with mental health issues, but the more they point at that the less the conversation will be about even basic gun control.
Original post by cat_mac
No one is making him a victim, people just want to know why this happened. They want something in his life to confirm that this is an evil person, because that way it’s less scary than realising that kid could be anyone in our lives.
Looking into his past also helps prevent this happening in the future, to see early warning signs and figure out if there’s a way we can intervene before the point of a massacre.
People falsely label muslims as terrorists all the time, the solution isn’t to falsely label everyone as terrorists. Whether the attack was politically motivated will show in time.
Looking into his past also helps prevent this happening in the future, to see early warning signs and figure out if there’s a way we can intervene before the point of a massacre.
People falsely label muslims as terrorists all the time, the solution isn’t to falsely label everyone as terrorists. Whether the attack was politically motivated will show in time.
Thank you, for mentioning about Political motive. I think the word 'terrorist' can be confusing for some people, as they interpret a terrorist as someone who has caused terror. But that could then literally mean anything from a Burgler to someone who has thrown a brick through a window lol. That - is causing terror and installing fear in a victim, but, people would say its obscene to call them a terrorist lol
Original post by erratic_deus
Hmm.
He's 19.
He applied for a gun.
If he didn't know right from wrong then how did he pass the tests and obtain a gun legally?
He's 19.
He applied for a gun.
If he didn't know right from wrong then how did he pass the tests and obtain a gun legally?
That’s because the American Gun laws are potty.
Original post by Gwilym101
The one thing American media or politicians will never do is suggest vaguely sane measures to reduce gun violence. Consequently they have to come up with finger pointing at virtually anything else that might be the "cause" of the problem.
They've pointed the finger at:
Jazz/rap/any music made by black musicians (Jazz was literally called Devil's music at one point).
Violent movies/television
Dungeons and Dragons
Video games
The list goes on it just so happens they've struck upon something that actually IS a problem that they can point at. Not that they'll actually do anything to help people with mental health issues, but the more they point at that the less the conversation will be about even basic gun control.
They've pointed the finger at:
Jazz/rap/any music made by black musicians (Jazz was literally called Devil's music at one point).
Violent movies/television
Dungeons and Dragons
Video games
The list goes on it just so happens they've struck upon something that actually IS a problem that they can point at. Not that they'll actually do anything to help people with mental health issues, but the more they point at that the less the conversation will be about even basic gun control.
Thank you so much for your common sense. I'll tag a user; @the cat girl
They don't want people to think the gun control laws in America are ********, so they deliberately try to make anyone who misuses a gun a "lone wolf" or someone who has cheated the system etc.
Original post by Cod3tte
Why is it whenever a person of colour does something like this, he is deemed a terrorist.
Whenever a white person does so, he is considered "mentally ill".
No sorry, you're not mentally ill, you're also a terrorist.
Whenever a white person does so, he is considered "mentally ill".
No sorry, you're not mentally ill, you're also a terrorist.
No motive has been established for the piece of scum. Therefore labelling him a terrorist is incorrect.
Original post by erratic_deus
What you're talking about makes no sense at all.
How is losing your mother to a sickness at age 18 - a warning sign?
How is having autism - a warning sign?
How is being adopted - a warning sign?
These aren't warning signs, these are "the media is making him out to be a victim of circumstance sign".
How is losing your mother to a sickness at age 18 - a warning sign?
How is having autism - a warning sign?
How is being adopted - a warning sign?
These aren't warning signs, these are "the media is making him out to be a victim of circumstance sign".
They're risk factors that have been shown time and time again to be linked to poor mental health that can contribute to things like this potentially happening.
As we've both agreed, they're not definite proof that something like this will happen, nor are they excuses, they're just merely potential factors that, when taken together, could help piece together what caused this. And yes, that also includes things like how easily he could access weapons, his political views etc.
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Original post by Andrew97
No motive has been established for the piece of scum. Therefore labelling him a terrorist is incorrect.
You don't need a motive.
He caused terror to 17 innocent people and families. Not to mention everyone else at the scene.
Therefore he is a terrorist.
Original post by erratic_deus
Hmm.
He's 19.
He applied for a gun.
If he didn't know right from wrong then how did he pass the tests and obtain a gun legally?
He's 19.
He applied for a gun.
If he didn't know right from wrong then how did he pass the tests and obtain a gun legally?
Sorry, I'm not familiar with the procedure for obtaining a gun, but would it be possible to answer questions using an understanding of what was expected?
Did he definitely obtain the gun legally?
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