Women who are used to hooking up with physically attractive guys, rate me /10.

Lol no, the desire to be liked and found attractive is a human trait. You wouldn’t survive without it. It is true however that men can generally get away with being ugly in our society, more so than women at least. That doesn’t mean they worry about their appearance any less than women do. Suggesting that it’s okay for women to be insecure but not for men is also just silly. Men disproportionately suffer from mental illness. This kind of mindset only fuels the problem.

What you are saying is contradictory. You acknowledge that you see many average scoring men with high scoring women... so you must know it is possible for you to also get these women if you are also scoring at the same level, right? But you don't, and this is not a 'score' / physical problem but one that is in your own head and it's frustrating me to see someone feel this way but be focusing on something that simply isn't the problem.

What you need to be working on is not your physical appearance, but learning to feel happy in your own skin. Inner peace with yourself will radiate to those around you, and people very much pick up on this.

The point is if it's discovered I'm objectively good enough for girls like the one I posted, I could actually approach them.

As mentioned I do do it sometimes, when I'm drunk of course. But at least 75% of the time I feel too apprehensive/inhibited.

Conversely if it turned out I'm not good enough then at least I'd know. Then I could focus on my appearance until I am good enough.

So it's very helpful to me.

I want to match a girl like this (or meet a girl like this in a bar, whatever):

You're very good looking, probably same level as that girl you posted. But the vibes you give off are quite different. She looks confident, at ease and sociable. From your photos you look like a combination of vain and insecure and that the only thing you have in life is your good looks. Also a bit dead behind the eyes in the mirror selfies. I imagine in clubs women are attracted to you but they don't stick around because you probably come across quite dull and not very confident. If you're always on your phone as well (like with that woman in the club) then you probably don't seem that fun.

Good looking girls like the one you posted there aren't just looking for someone hot, they're looking for someone with a personality to match and that's where you probably fall. You say you're likeable and that's good but obviously you're very insecure and girls can normally pick up on that.

Lookswise there isn't that much to change apart from better fitting t shirts and a smile. Personality and confidence goes way further than a good face.

She looks like every basic b*tch you see in a club/bar. Wouldn't be hard to pull her for a ons.

Men don't know how to rate other men though.

Lol srs? I see a girl who looks as good as her in a club maybe once every 10 to 20 times I go out. I find her elite tier. She looks similar to a girl I liked years ago.

I don't know her btw she's just an example of what "my type" is.

I find they usually like guys with perfect hair etc. My hair is notoriously bad and unfixable without a hair transplant. It only looks normal because I sweep some of my hair across to cover the receded bits.

She's extremely average but if that's what you like then go for it. She's certainly not elite by any standards. It's a hook up, I highly doubt she's gonna notice your hair and even if she does, it's a one time f*ck she probably won't care.

you look different in your avatar ?

Not really....... I just want to know where I stand objectively. Like there's no point in me chatting up hot women if women view me as a 4/10. In that case I'd be better off focusing on improving my appearance.

On the other hand, if it turned out I was a 6 or something it'd be more worthwhile to focus on my behavior/personality instead.

I get way too much conflicting info about my aesthetics, I just want some objective consensus rate from women (and I specified women who are used to hot guys, 'cause I wanna see how I compare to legit attractive men).

Different people find different traits attractive. There’s no consensus on what hot means and it happens a lot with my female friends that they show me a “10/10 hottie” and it’s a solid 3/10from me.

If you fancy a girl, go talk to her. I’d say you tick most of the “generic hot” boxes so your chances are decent

Okay. What's the best way to open? Just say "hey how's your night going?" like I usually do, or be like "hey you look nice/cute/fit (or whatever)"?

I've been going to clubs for over a year now and have not even ONCE had the balls to walk over to someone and say "you look nice" lmfaooo. Absolutely shameful, srs, disgraceful.

Is that what most guys do? I'm gonna go out this weekend. I'm not gonna be a pussy anymore though srs.

Personally I would rate you 4/10, looks wise: too preened and probably spends too much time at the gym. Personality wise: You care way too much about what you look like and what other people think about your looks. You seem vane and very insecure. Your life seems to just revolve around whether girls think your hot which is really sad. Also, you come across as quite desperate, you'll never find a decent girl especially if that's your ideal type.