Why do women want gender equality in the workplace, but not in dating?

THANKYOU to the only other person on this thread who actually has brain cells.

If a 15 year old knows that she will get the death penalty for committing abortion, i strongly doubt she will be in a hurry to end her own life in the process. If she then goes ahead with it, then we have to demand her life in payment for the unborn child.

If you want another example other than the “beating women” example how about this. Look at what’s going on in Hollywood right now with all the sexual harassment allegations. Why are all the protests to that about women being treated unfairly in Hollywood? Men have been sexually harassed in Hollywood too in fact Brendan Fraser just came out today with his story but because he’s a male I doubt anyone will take him seriously. Obviously more women have been harassed but it happens to men too but nobody mentions the men. Notice when all these celebs are making their speeches they say “I stand by the women who have been abused” but they ignore the men? That’s not equality is it?

Another example I can give you is the Barry Bennell case. A football coach who has just been locked up for sexually abusing young footballers on more than 50 separate occasions. That’s just as bad as what Harvey Weinstein did but you don’t see marches and protests against sexual abuse of young footballers and you don’t see celebs wearing black and making speeches in honour of abuse victims in general it’s always about “the women who have been abused.” There’s plenty cases of men being raped or sexually harassed or stalked but because they are men nobody will take them seriously not even the police. That’s not equality.

Another example is mental health. Men find it much harder to admit they have mental health problems than women because men are meant to be “strong” and are told to “man up” if they open up . That’s not equality is it but do you ever see people protesting about it?

My point is that’s a lot of feminists (not all) seem to think that things like rape and sexual harassment etc happen exclusively to women when in actual fact the men find it just as difficult to speak up as the women but when you see these movements like the “Time’s Up” or “Me Too” whatever it’s called it’s all about the women and not a thought is given to men.

There are situations in this world where men are unfairly treated better than women and vice versa but a lot of “feminists” don’t see it like that.

If men stared calling themselves “Meninists” and protesting for equal rights in areas that they aren’t given as much recognition as women then they’d be laughed at and called greedy.

Why can’t everyone just agree that men and women both need more recognition in certain things instead of feminists trying to act like men own the world and keep women locked up in cages?

Sorry for any grammar mistakes I’m typing this on my crappy phone and drunk auto correct.

You said that men find it harder to speak about their mental health and get help, but thats just another thing that feminists want to bring light to, they want to break down stereotypes so that men don’t have to find it difficult

Who goes on a date with a guy and fears they will be killed in public?

They should do what they want and face the consequences.

This is what I don't understand about the modern day gender equality/feminism movement. They want equality in some areas, but other areas they are happy for things to stay the same as long as they receive the benefit.

Women want equal treatment in the workplace with their male colleagues. They want equal pay (FWIW the gender pay gap is a myth - same job for same hours get paid the same, otherwise it's illegal), they don't want to experience sexual harassment in the workplace (what about all the false accusations which ruin men's careers?), they want the same opportunities men have, they want equal opportunities for promotion (despite many of them taking time off for maternity leave).

This is all fair enough. Except they don't want equality in dating. Men are still expected to:

- ask the woman out and face possible rejection (women might give subtle hints, but under no circumstances will they ask the man out - that is "his job"
- pay for the first date (and possible subsequent dates as well)
- propose to the woman
- treat her with meals/gifts
- hold open the door for her
- give up his coat if she's cold, so he can freeze (but never the other way around)
- put the majority of effort into sex (this is centered around pleasing the woman - the man's enjoyment is always assumed)
- be manly and dominant, never show any weak emotions, keep his problems bottled up because otherwise it's "unmanly"
- household chores must now be shared. Women no longer have to do all the cooking and cleaning, it's shared equally between men, because otherwise it's gender discrimination/oppression. Despite the fact men are still seen as the primary breadwinner in the household and a man without a job is a virtual disaster.


So back to the original question: Why do women want gender equality in the workplace (and indeed many other areas), but not in dating? I'm interested to hear to views of men, women and any feminists.

Who said anything about in public?

Some men (definitely not all, but enough) behave in violent and dangerous ways when things don't go their way, especially on dates. There have been multiple cases of women going on a date and the man trying to rape them and/or kill them. There have been cases of women being threatened with guns, knives, etc for refusal. Because the 'friend zone' exists. No - it is not a woman's job to have sex with you if you're 'nice' to them. It doesn't work that way, and more often than it should ever happen (I.w it shouldn't happen at all) men can get violent because of a woman's refusal to be their sexual object. Nobody is a walking sexual object - they are first and foremost a person.

That is why women fear death and rape after a date because the way society has been built up in a way that a man can get angry if you say no. And yes, I realise that not all men are like this and that not ever date is going to be like that. But is happens and it really shouldn't.

Onto the topic of the thread, the gender pay gap does exist. Otherwise Iceland (I think) wouldn't have needed to make a law to make it illegal. But the pay gap also exists between different racial groups so let's not forget about that either. Yes there are problems with the world, and it shouldn't be about lowering one group, but rather raising the other up.

I read a very good post on tumblr that said, to paraphrase, men (or anyone for that matter) should never have been in a position to control women's (or any other group that didn't ever used to have many rights) rights and the laws regarding them.

Because no one deserves to die even if they have done something horrible, they deserve to sit and take their penance and live with what they’ve done

Its not an unborn child though (depending on how far along in the pregnancy she is) its a foetus. And of the woman is far enough along in the pregnancy that the ‘child’ would be able to survive then they probably dont want the abortion and they’re getting it for medical reasons, if they had truly wanted an abortion they would’ve done it sooner

Many women do....

So you are not against abortion if it hurts the women? Ok

I have discussed this point before. I am against abortion in many forms. The ONLY form where I leave it to the judgment of the medical officials is the point where there is a life or death situation between the mother and child. For example, if the child lives, the mother dies or if the mother lives, the child dies. Other forms, I am against abortion.

wow even rape?

There are rape victims who still keep their child. Some then opt to offer the child for adoption to enable a better life. It is not a life or death situation.

Okay and sooo?
adoption isn't always a good option and sometimes the women is raped by a family member causing the child to have serve complications.

Adoption is not a good option and killing the child is the better option? There are incestous relationships that produce healthy children, but i am not in favour of it.

If the baby has severe disabilities that becomes a medical emergency, then my former point stands, else no abortion whatsoever.

I can't say whether or not abortion is better or worse than adoption in any situation tbh- It depends on many factors. Incestuous relationships do not produce healthy children. So wth if a Mother gets imprenanted by her Dad the child is going to be healthy? lol.

Lol, okay.