Why do women want gender equality in the workplace, but not in dating?

When you say 'many of the cases that are being reported today' happened many years ago, exactly what are you referring to? Because, as I've said, there are cases all the time that are not reported in the press. We're not so stupid to think that Weinstein, Bill Cosby et al are the only people to commit sexual harassment. So, for god's sake, how on earth do you know what the situation is with cases being reported today. Why do you proclaim to know anything about sexual harassment or the number of cases or how many cases are reported year on year.

You keep saying sexual harassment is on the decline, without any evidence. As far as I can see you've just decided that yourself.

Actual sexual assault cases are on the decline and I was talking about the public cases. Those are the ones that are being talked about.

Here are some links that claim sexual assault has been coming down for some time now. Even on the BBC, it was reported some months ago, during the heat of the Weinstein situation.

I watched a debate where one speaker proposed that we need to re-define sexual assault. Is a guy smacking a woman on the bum the same as a guy violently raping her? Is online threats of rape the same as actual rape?

From the ONS:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/domesticabusesexualassaultandstalking

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/overviewofviolentcrimeandsexualoffences

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2828653

https://brandeishoot.com/2017/10/06/crime-statistics-show-decline-in-sexual-assault/

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem

I am not talking about unreported cases. Nobody can know or speculate on unreported cases until they are reported. It is sad but that is the truth.

The reason for its decline could be many, such as women not getting assaulted as much, women not reporting cases, women reporting cases too complex that it is not recorded as standard assault etc.

When I say unreported, I mean not reported in the press but with legal action going on.

I think wherever you look, whether you say it's declining or not, it's still a massive problem.

Also, you find articles like the following which are massively concerning.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-london-reports-met-police-rise-crime-sexual-assault-a8225821.html


' I watched a debate where one speaker proposed that we need to re-define sexual assault. Is a guy smacking a woman on the bum the same as a guy violently raping her? Is online threats of rape the same as actual rape?'

I don't like where you're going with that comment...you are wading into patronising waters. I hate it when people act as though there's so much talk about sexual harassment now that men can't even banter with a woman without being nervous. I mean, seriously?

London is not representative of the country and the Office of National Statistics do show evidence of a decline in reported cases. You asked for evidence and I gave you several.

I never argued that rape or sexual assault was not a massive problem. I have only stated that though it is a heinous act, there is a decline in such despicable behaviour. Which is proven by the evidence.

I just shared an argument of someone else with you and you accuse me of being patronising. What? Although i do not agree with his point, i think there should be a review to what constitutes sexual assault. This will help to tackle it and further push it down.

Some men have come out to say that the atmosphere is quite hostile towards them. They cannot have a cheeky banter or “try their luck” in the off chance that it could be misconstrued. You may think it sounds ridiculous but it is true.

I think this issue will see a complete change to dating because men have to be extra careful esp to avoid wrong accusations.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-42745181

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2674955/Student-accused-Oxford-president-rape-admitted-relationship-consensual-year-earlier-promised-dispel-rumours-hed-raped-her.html

OK if your point is just that there has been a decline in harassment, great, I'm glad we can celebrate this fact.

I don't agree with your final point but we can agree to disagree there.

@cherryred90s, did you delete you quote to me? I received a notification but cannot see it.

Yeah I deleted it because there’s no point debating with you

well tbh i always think if a guy is interested enough he would ask you out

But why? Surely if he is a "man" he should be confident enough to ask

It's so funny to see women all pining over 1 particular guy (usually some good looking, high status male), trying to look hotter than all the other girls, waiting and hoping that guy will ask her out (then when he doesn't, they sit at home wallowing in self-pity, watching rom-coms and eating tubs of Ben&Jerry's).

Have you ever actually met a woman in real life or do you just make your assumptions off movies? Where are these places that have one “good looking high class male” standing around, surrounded by eligible females waiting to be selected?

That is the key problem. A woman should not have the right to take another person’s life.

If she gets pregnant and finds out that she is unable to take care of the offspring then there are opportunities for adoption and public support. There are women who take that step rather than terminating the unborn child.

I am getting tired of going round circles. It is ridiculous how people have attempted to bring up reasons to justify the killing of an unborn child.

In the end, like i wrote before, the woman can do whatever she wants. If she rips out her womb today, i would not care. However, my view is nobody should have a right over the fate of another person’s life.

Where are these places that have one “good looking high class male” standing around, surrounded by eligible females waiting to be selected?Have you ever actually met a woman in real life or do you just make your assumptions off movies?

Its not killing an unborn child though, its a foetus; not a person, if it was a person it would have right and liberties

It's so funny to see women all pining over 1 particular guy (usually some good looking, high status male), trying to look hotter than all the other girls, waiting and hoping that guy will ask her out (then when he doesn't, they sit at home wallowing in self-pity, watching rom-coms and eating tubs of Ben&Jerry's).

You'd have so much more success if you walked over to him, actually talked to him and made your intentions very clear from the outset. The women who get the men they want, either ask the man out themselves or make the signals so blindingly obvious, it's literally impossible for the guy to miss.

Its not killing an unborn child though, its a foetus; not a person, if it was a person it would have right and liberties

In an ideal world this is how it would be, but a bit of honesty from me here.

I'm a man, and if a woman put the effort in and was the one that came up to me I would automatically think there is something wrong with her or something dodgy is going on. I know it shouldn't be like that, but society isn't ready for women to take the lead in this. Whether we like it or not, it's the men that do the chasing, anything else is out of the norm and questions are asked.

Another example...

Dating sites. If you set up a woman's profile it is almost guaranteed that the women will have men after men messaging her. She doesn't need to make the move because she will definitely get offers, so as a man on a dating site if a woman messaged you first the chances are all is not what it seems. Maybe it's a fake scam profile, maybe she's crazy, there could be a million and one reasons. She could well be genuine, but I wouldn't bet on it.