62% of students and recent graduates have experienced sexual violence.

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you blaming modern feminism, marxism and any other movements on the rothschilds?

I never mentioned the Rothschilds, that would clearly make me an anti-semitic shitlord. I don't know who the richest US families are, but it's widely reported that an infinitesimally small number of hyper-rich families, have a massively, profoundly, completely disproportionate influence on society, and use political tools, and social movements to maintain their privilege and status. Because, obviously, it is in their best interests to do so. And because they can, they do.

Reply 81

So Instinct

Until societal structure changes from males being deemed the ones to pursue a mate with the opposing gender being seen and acting as some kind of prize, you will always have a section that will push beyond what is deemed acceptable. The combinations of societal and biological pressures, combined with loose morality of the individual will sometimes result in scenarios whereby the individual uses more aggressive methods which often entail unacceptable practices, this is often made worse by the fact that those methods are sometimes rewarded thus reinforcing this type of behaviour and those observing to pick it up.

Club and lad culture is where you see the highest concentration of such, generally speaking making it quite rotten to the core for things like this.

The biological element to this is probably the most difficult and what usually gets ignored. There is no outlet for that primal itch in society, it often gets displayed in unhealthy ways and it seems like clubs/corporate hierarchy are the biggest scratch for it.

We can do more to fix it, but simply increasing punishment won't work. Nor will telling someone something is unnaceptable when they're in their own mind achieving success by it.

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Reply 82

303Pharma

62% of students and recent graduates have experienced sexual violence.

Statistics on rape and other sexual assaults... per country... per 100,000 (brackets % rounded to two significant figures, as per thread title)... for 2009

South Africa; 138.5 (0.14%), Botswana; 88.5 (0.089%), Lesotho; 82.7 (0.083%), Sweden; 63.8 (0.064%), Grenada; 54.5 (0.055%), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines; 49.4 (0.049%)

UK (students and recent graduates, year unknown) 62,000 (62%). Really? That sounds legit to anyone? Not politically motivated scaremongering to create moral panic?

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Reply 83

k.n.h.

Original post by 303Pharma

The comparisons you've made really does highlight how peculiar the results for the study are.. :curious:

Anyway, I wouldn't take the study results as gospel for the representative of the whole country (but I'll still think about it)

Reply 84

303Pharma

Original post by k.n.h.

Anyway, I wouldn't take the study results as gospel for the representative of the whole country (but I'll still think about it)

Well, unless you consider University, which is now 2/3 female, predominantly middle and upper class, more 'rapey' than the general population, that 62% is lower than the national average. Which I suggest, seems highly dubious.

Again, when subjective, biased, made-up gibberish like mansplaining, and manspreading = sexual harassment = sexual 'violence', these nonsense 'statistics' seem inevitable if they further an agenda.

Reply 85

AgeOfTheBimbo

Thats nowhere near enough.

Reply 86

Dheorl

Original post by Danny Dorito

The Student Room, in partnership with Revolt Sexual Assault have conducted a survey which found that 62% of students and graduates consulted have experience sexual violence, however only 6% of those felt able to report it to their university and/or the police

The survey, which consulted almost 4,500 students and graduates across 154 institutions, is the largest national study investigating sexual violence at university.

You can read more on the report here.

What do you make of this? Are you surprised by these statistics?

Doesn't surprise me. Whilst at uni I had most of my body grabbed by random strangers of the opposite sex at clubs, was forcibly kissed, had items stolen to lure me away from the group I was is. People have no boundaries. Only thing that surprises me is that the number isn't higher for males, I wonder how much of this is simply that even on anonymous surveys men don't like admitting to themselves they were taken advantage of.

Reply 87

CookieButter

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

Good because you really need to try harder

Trying harder is not necessary with that first comment of yours little tail chaser. My two replies to that comment more than suffice in addressing and exposing it for what it is.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

However, have you got a source for that super specific figure about false allegations causing death for hundreds of thousands of men?

1. I’m not sure you understand the meaning of the word specific. That figure that I gave is not specific. It’s the opposite of specific.
2. Before editing your comment you wrote that you were sceptical about that number. I'd like to address that part of your comment if I may.

You are sceptical because you have been raised in a part of the world that has put a gynocentric vail over your eyes. Additionally, you come across strongly like a practicing feminist. This will compound your selective bias and therefore your ignorance. We live in a part of the world where feminism is highly institutionalised and feminism has a certain narrative about the way this world is run. This narrative dictates that we live in a world that is run by a system created by men for the benefit of men and subjugation, enslavement and abuse of women. The victimisation of men by women throughout time does not serve this narrative. Such issues are therefore sidelined, buried, ignored.

Now to answer your question. Men who were accused of rape by women have throughout time often become victims of lynch mobs. In the US alone over ten thousand men were lynched during the Jim Crow era between 1867 and 1965. The majority of these men were falsely accused of rape by predatory women motivated by racism (False Accusations of Rape: Lynching in the 21st Century By John Davis). However, these lynchings caused by false accusations didn’t only affect black people but whites like Leo Frank too. The mobs would capture the falsely accused man, torture him for hours on end, castrate him and cut off his limbs before burning him alive.

Today this same problem carries on in countries like India where feminism through lies and exaggerations similar to yours in this thread have riled people up against men leading to many lynchings. A recent example of one such lynching was of Syed Sarif Khan a man falsely accused of rape by a woman who was never held to account for the false accusation and who's identity remains protected by the state to this day thanks to rape shield laws introduced by feminists such as yourself in that country. The lynch mob was lead by 200 women.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/girls-in-school-college-uniforms-led-lynch-mob-says-dimapur-sp/

These abuses, this violence by proxy committed by predatory women have been going on since the dawn of man. The story of prophet Joseph, 3500 years ago cited in the quran, the bible and in Jewish texts, is a another good example of this. He was falsely accused of rape by the wife of his master who wanted to sleep with him and he rejected her. Angered by his rejection she tears her clothes and runs to her husband and informs him that Joseph had raped her. As a result Joseph is thrown in prison and has his life destroyed. This might give people like yourself ideas. I hope it doesn't.

Similar crimes where carried out by white women towards black men during the 400 years of the slavery trade. White women would rape male black slaves and if impregnated or caught accuse the slave of having raped them. The slaves would then be murdered in the most brutal ways (Within the Plantation Household: Black and White Women of the Old South (Gender and American Culture) By Elizabeth Fox-Genovese).

“like the crime of rape itself, false accusations of rape are about power.” John Davis, specialist in the American judiciary system.

Women have throughout history used false rape claims in pursuit of power and control. They exploit the protective nature that men carry towards them through false claims to allow them to gain what they want. Throughout time powers that be have exploited this same tactic to murder, not hundreds of thousands of men, but millions. They used the “They are raping our women” tactic to rile societies up against the “enemy”. Nazi Germany used rape claims such as this to incite people against the jews. The same propaganda was used by the allies against the germans to enlist men and send them off to their deaths by the hundreds of thousands. The same culture is exploited by the right wing in certain parts of the world against immigrants and the same culture has been exploited by feminists such as yourself since the 60s to gain sympathy for their cause which they then use to worm their way into power and control in society.

Picture on the far left is a British propaganda picture from world war one inciting people against germans. the picture in the middle from nazi germany and the one on the far right (no pun intended) is from Poland inciting poles against coloured immigrants.

False rape accusations and lies surrounding rape and sexual assault of women are a powerful weapon that has been used by powers and ideologies throughout time and has lead people to wars and promoted the death and destruction of millions of men throughout history. The problem with liars is that the only thing that they see is the benefit of the lie to themselves. The don’t see nor understand nor, I think, care for the consequences of these lies to others.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

And yes I am aware that the suicide rate of males is consistently higher than that of females. This is something that is partially down to factors such as men being discouraged from seeking help due to toxic masculinity and ideas about what characteristics genders 'should' show.

High suicide rates amongst men aren’t just caused by society discouraging men to seek help. Thats just the tip of the ice-burg that is male disadvantagement. Suicide rates are much higher amongst men than thy are in women because men have it harder than women in life.

Imagine having no rights to your children after divorce and being subject to the whims of your ex-partner who gets to decide when or if you get to see your children. Such female privilage and sexism in the UK and other feminised parts of the world have lead many men to suicide.

Imagine having no say in whether your child lives or dies because you live in a gynocentric, hypocritical society that preaches equality but denies you your equal say in abortion.

Imagine living in a society that deems you a worthless deadbeat when you stop being able to provide for women, almost as if your entire purpose for existence revolves around catering to their needs.

Imagine living in a world where you are burdened with protecting everyone around you at the cost of your life. A world where your life is worth less than that of opposite gender that has the audacity to claim to be disadvantaged.

Imagine living in a world when you fall on hard times and become homeless people walk past you in disgust. A world that had you been born with a hole in between your legs would rush to your aid.

Imagine living in a world where your life is put below that of everyone else in disasters and conflicts. A world that puts the life of that opposite gender that falsely claims to be at a disadvantage above that of yours.

Imagine that you live in a world where you die by the thousands in conflicts every year and nobody cares whilst the opposite gender lives on and reaps the benefits of your sacrifices. A world where a single death from that opposite, privileged gender with a hole in between its legs causes a media uproar. A world that values the lives of women more so than those of men.

Imagine living in a world where you are burdened with the harshest responsibilities and exposed to the greatest risks. A world that despite this does not in any way support you but focuses all its efforts on that other gender that is protected from these responsibilities and risks yet has the audacity to claim that it is disadvantaged.

Imagine living in a world that does not recognise your sexual abuse. A world that pats you on the back when you are raped by the opposite sex and refuses to call your abuser a rapist. A world that refuses to hold your rapist to account because she is a woman and in most countries around the globe women, thanks to feminists, the architects of rape laws, women cannot be charged with rape.

Imagine living in a world where you are many times more likely to be a victim of violence and many times less likely to wind up in university than that other sex born with the hole in between its legs yet you get no support and the opposite sex gets everything.

I can go on and on and on and on and on and on …..”men commit suicide because they are discouraged from seeking help by toxic masculinity”?… get the hell out you sexist, born with a golden spoon in your mouth by virtue of your gender, privileged ignoramus. (Some of that loathing that I have for liars, the one that I mentioned in my last comment is starting to show now. I need to rain it in).

I’m just touching the surface of the this issue of suicide amongst men. I got to be thankful though. Things are better now than they were ten years ago when people used to say that more men killed themselves because of their greater disposition to violence…lol now thanks to all the mens rights activism people have started waking up, changing their tone and challenging feminazi concepts…

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

While we're here talking about death, is it a good place to mention that two women per week are killed by their (male) partners?

For every disadvantage that you name for women. I can name you ten that are a million times worse for men. So don’t preach to me, ok?

Men are twice more likely to be victims of violence in this country than women. In other countries the rate is much higher. Yet despite this our entire focus around the globe centres around protecting women…and you have the audacity to pretend like you live in a world that discriminates against you?…lol no, you live in a world that values your life and your protection more than it does men. You are privilaged.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

Or that women are five times more likely than men to have been a victim of sexual assault since the age of 16?

You ask for references yet you provide none in your comments. Thats ok. I don’t need references from you. I don’t need to look at references to rebuke your nonsense.

We live in a world that refuses to hold female sex abusers to account. A world that congratulates their victims for having been raped or abused or groomed by them. A world that refuses to accept the idea that women can rape. A world where women in most countries cannot be charged with rape thanks to sexist definitions for rape that exclude women from prosecution for this crime. A world that trivialises female sexual violence. A world that supports and encourages female paedophilies. A world that refuses in many countries to include women in rape statistics (women were excluded from rape stats in the US until 2012)…..of course a sexist world like this will show women to be at greater risk of sexual violence than men.

A good example of our gynocentric culture surrounding rape and sexual violence statistics is feminist Mary P. Koss. A sexist, rape apologist who trivilises female sexual violence against men. A woman who believes that men who are raped by women should not be included in rape and sexual assault stats.

“Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.” Wrote Mary in one of her papers.

This woman worked for the CDC where she helped formulate definitions for sexual assault and rape that are used to collect data in the US. Ergo, Your statistics prove nothing in this sexist gynocentric world of ours…

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

False rape allegations are often high profile because they are rare.

False rape allegations are rare?!!!! False rape allegations are high profile?!? What alternate reality do you live in?

False rape accusations are extremely common. Rape has the highest rate of false accusations of any crime in countries where laws, thanks to feminism, have been changed such they lay the burden of proof on the accused as apposed the accuser and limit his ability to defend himself with 'Rape Shields', allowing women to exploit the system for sympathy, revenge, compensation, fame etc on a rampant scale.

“False accusations of rape appear far higher than false accusations of other crimes. One study, conducted over nine years in one Midwest city, found that 41 percent were false; a study of two state universities over three years found 50 percent to be false. Meanwhile, the FBI reports the number of unfounded rape accusations at 8 percent, while the average rate of all unfounded crme reports is at 2 percent.” Roy Black, famous American attorney.

In the USA false rape accusations are four times higher than the national average. In India Over 50% of rape accusations in the capital were found to be false, this is one year after the feminisation of rape laws in that country.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-53-rape-cases-filed-between-april-2013-and-july-2013-false-delhi-commission-of-women-2023334

Additionally, actual numbers of false rape accusations in feminised countries are thought to be much higher than given by official bodies, such as the FBI, as only the most serious cases of false rape accusations are ever prosecuted by the police and so recorded in statistics.

“Prof Claire Ferguson, a forensic criminologist from the University of New England in New South Wales, Australia, said it was not the norm to prosecute women for false allegations and that only those in the most egregious cases were charged, often where the accused man had spent time in custody.”

False sexual harassment and rape accusations are used by feminism and the powers that be as a means to power and tyrannical control over men. Feminist organisations like the British WAR (Women Against Rape) defend false rape accusers. The recently started a campaign in the UK to protect false rape accusers from prosecution. Feminists like yourself always endeavour to play down false rape accusations and their always devastating impact on men, as well as protect women who make such false claims. This in turn encourages and promotes the false rape claim culture that we have had in society since the dawn of man. Ergo, feminism is a huge part of the problem.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

I know many, many more than three women who have been a victim of sexual assault (for clarification I'm talking physical assault here, since there seems to be debate on this thread about whether verbal abuse should count), who haven't reported it due to, amongst other things, fear of not being believed. In several cases these people were under the age of 16. One report suggested that as many as 80% of victims don't report being raped. For every person wrongly accused, there are many more who do not come forward to get justice for people who do commit sexual offences. I am a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty (as do the courts, if you look at the shocking low conviction rates for sexual assault), however given the statistics you can see why my default position if someone were to divulge to me that they've been a victim of a sexual offence would be to believe them.

In this paragraph, you compare the number of rape victims that you know to the number of false accusation that I know. Thats is a false equivalence. These are two different things. You cannot compare them. If you wanted to make a fair comparison tell me of the number of women that you know who have been falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment by the opposite sex? I should think the answer to this question is ZERO!!! As for your stats regarding rape and sexual harassment, you people have tendency to lie and exaggerate things. Your biggest icons, people like child molester and rapist Simone De Beauvoir, where chronic liars who distorted reality to push their agenda. So you will forgive me if I don't take your claims or your stats at face value.

One of your claims is that rape has shocking low conviction rates. Conviction rates for rape are amongst the highest of ANY CRIME in this country. They have been at 60% for the past ten years.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/cps_vawg_report_2014.pdf page 45

Conviction rates for rape are almost 300% higher than the conviction rate for murder where the accused is a female and 50% higher than the conviction rate for murder where the accused is a male. i’m simply comparing conviction rates for rape here to those of other serious crimes.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2015/chapter2homicide

Conviction rates are low only in the minds of proponents of your ideology who lie about and distort facts and figures to promote their false “women are victims” narrative.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

Your suggestions for the motivations behind my police report are nonsense. The racism in particular is a spectacular reach given that I said nothing about the ethnicity of the man behind all this

You wrote that you didn’t know the man hence you have no motivation in falsely accusing him. I replied by telling you that people who make such claims don’t need to know the person that they falsely accuse of rape to accuse them of such a crime…that they can be motivated by many things sympathy, attention, money, sexism. Women have throughout time, and it is almost entirely women who make false claims, made false claims against men that they did not know. So you not knowing a person is not a valid excuse for you not falsely accusing that person.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

If anything it says something about what you think are the 'type' of men to do this sort of thing. Attention makes no sense either given that, y'know, it was my friend that reported this rather than myself. Since my apparently notorious Post 49™ gives a very negative view of the police it could be interpreted as encouragement to not report incidents (which wasn't my intention, I meant it more as an explanation of why people may not bother), so I am struggling to see how you personally have interpreted it as some sort of attack against Innocent Men™. I mean, it's really not my concern whether you believe me or not because only me and the other guy involved (and anyone who eventually saw the CCTV I guess) know the truth and you never will

It doesn’t matter whether it was your friend and not you who supposedly reported this crime. That does not make the slightest bit of difference. You in the end still get the attention if that was your intention and I don't know whether it was or not.

You wrote that you were afraid of having to turn up in court to face your supposed abuser and that that was one of the reasons why you decided not to go ahead with the whole affair. People who make rape or sexual assault claims are protected by rape shields from day one. As in, they know for a fact from the moment that they report the crime to the police that they won’t have to turn up to court. This is part of the system and anyone who has reported a rape or a sexual assault would know this because its part of the investigative process. Yet you don't. Your comment clearly comes across like it was written by a person who has never experienced this system. A person who has fabricated a story. I encourage people to go and read your comment and then check out the way the system works. They will find your clearly fabricated claim with its glaring inconsistencies laughable.

Original post by Little Tail Chaser

I just think it's bizarre how you've incorrectly thought you've hit me with 'gotcha' moments when you clearly don't know as much about the topic as you like to think you do

I hit a nerve. That comes across clearly from your replies. I don’t expect a person such as yourself to admit to a fault or change, ever. Your type only get worse with time. I just hope that my comment doesn’t inform you and make a better liar out of you in the future.

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Reply 88

Chucke1992

Original post by 303Pharma

I bet in those african countries the sexual assault doesn't count if the woman is not pregnant lol. Regarding Sweden...Who knows, maybe they don't care or just don't approach each other.

Sexual predator hunting shares a lot of similarities with middle age witch hunting. Not mention it is widely supported by the government (just like witch hunting by church in the past).

Original post by Dheorl

I don't see a problem that in club. If you don't want to be touched in club what's the reason going there - it's the club and not the ball hosted by nobles.

Regarding males, I think they mostly don't care - if touched by man they can resolve it by themselves, if touched by women - they would like that.

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Reply 89

Dheorl

Original post by Chucke1992

You're such a moron it's almost funny... Unfortunately only almost.

Reply 90

303Pharma

Original post by Chucke1992

Regarding Sweden...Who knows, maybe they don't care or just don't approach each other.

It's highly likely the usual suspects [*] are going to call me racist for pointing this out. Sweden is the rape capitol of Europe. Native Swedes have been arrested and fined for pointing out actual reality. EG a 55 year Swede was fined (the equivalent of $1,265) for posting his opinion on Facebook that Muslim 'refugees' were responsible for a lot of the surge in gang-rape in Sweden.

In 2016, the Swedish government (as many Western European nations had already) banned the reporting of the ethnic origins of accused in court cases. However a private investigation of the 4,142 rulings between the 40 Swedish courts between 2012 and 2014, (before the tsunami of migrants hit Europe), found that 95.6% of rapes had been committed by men of foreign descent. Almost exclusively African, and Middle Eastern origin.

But of course, pointing out objective reality... is racist !

Original post by Chucke1992

I've never smoked, or wish to ever smoke, crack-cocaine. So I don't spend my waking hours eating ice-cream in crack dens.

Social norms aren't fixed and static, they're location dependent. I've had female strangers approach me in clubs, and without saying a word, stick their tongue down my mouth, and their hands down by boxers. Pretty standard behavior in clubs, and as you point out, for me, usually, and I imagine most guys, it's not unwelcome.

Never happened to me at a funeral though. Time and place, time and place.

If women aren't happy with the a club's management protocols of acceptable behavior, and as a results the clubs security policies (ie bouncers enforcement, CCTV, police reporting etc.) don't go to that type of club. Don't sit in a crack den if you don't intend to smoke crack. It's not rocket science ladies!

[ edit: * Before the SJW's pile on for me pointing out reality, I suggest they familiarize themselves in the basics of Libel Law. I have the funds, and the moral conviction, to pursue, at least, legal advice. And if necessary to counter 'Deformation of Character' take action. ]

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Reply 91

omichael

Original post by Danny Dorito

1960's: man puts his hand on a woman's lap shes slaps him and tells him no!.
modern day: man puts his hand on a woman's, she goes back home and starts a starts a twitter hashtag.

Reply 92

Chucke1992

Original post by Dheorl

You're such a moron it's almost funny... Unfortunately only almost.

Original post by omichael

1960's: man puts his hand on a woman's lap shes slaps him and tells him no!.
modern day: man puts his hand on a woman's, she goes back home and starts a starts a twitter hashtag.

Don't forget the filling of lawsuit

Original post by 303Pharma

Almost exclusively African, and Middle Eastern origin. But of course, pointing out objective reality... is racist !

That's why they want to enforce not mentioning the nationality - if you call them swedes they it was done by swedes. You bubble won't burst. They like to reference to statistics about citizens - "See they commit crimes too".

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Reply 93

omichael

Original post by Chucke1992

So when a woman touched you start running around screaming about sexual harassment? Club usually is not the literature club anyway.
I think people should care more about fights, deaths, shooting at clubs instead of touching or kissing.

Don't forget the filling of lawsuit

That's why they want to enforce not mentioning the nationality - if you call them swedes they it was done by swedes. You bubble won't burst. They like to reference to statistics about citizens - "See they commit crimes too".

plus the linch mob

Reply 94

Vertigo_descent

Original post by HighOnGoofballs

I'm the furthest thing from a feminist, but that's a disppicable attitude to have.

When the figures are this high, and given the notoriety that surrounds these kind of studies (not to mention what is happening at the same time in the legal system, with a number of rape cases collapsing due to police misconduct), I think a sceptical attitude is more than healthy. There is no reason to simply take them at face value.

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Reply 95

Chucke1992

Original post by omichael

plus the linch mob

That's why I call it modern witch hunting :smile:

Reply 96

Dheorl

Original post by 303Pharma

If I wanted my privates to be touched, I'd go to a sex club, not a dance club, and from what I gather even there they have the decency to ask permission first.

And it's clearly against every dance club's management protocols. If you can find one single dance club in the entire country who publicly advocates random groping I'd love to see it. Unfortunately it's the bouncers who are usually *******s who'd do the same themselves.

There are plenty of "social norms" in the world that aren't morally acceptable. The fact you seemingly can't tell the difference between the two is frankly pretty sad, and speaks a lot of your general character.

Reply 97

Dheorl

Original post by Chucke1992

I think people should care more about fights, deaths, shooting at clubs instead of touching or kissing.

Umm, come again? The clubs where I went to uni never had a death, let alone a shooting. What sort of hell hole do you live in? Fights consisted of someone throwing a punch then being arrested, because for some reason that's something the bouncers actually care about.

Reply 98

Chucke1992

Original post by Dheorl

From time to time such events happen in the international news.

Fights consisted of someone throwing a punch then being arrested

Arrested? No, I think it's overkill. Usually bodyguards throw the guy out of club.

Reply 99

Dheorl

Original post by Chucke1992

From time to time such events happen in the international news.

Arrested? No, I think it's overkill. Usually bodyguards throw the guy out of club.

I never get this logic. So because something happens somewhere in the world we shouldn't care about something less serious on our doorstep? There's genocides going on across the world, why should anyone care about the occasional stabbing or terrorist attack in London, right?

Admittedly I don't know if they were technically arrested, but they were shipped off in a police car, and why shouldn't they be? They committed an assault and were drunken disorderly, seems reasonable to me.