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First off, your constant misquoting and stupidity makes you very annoying to talk to.

I never claimed ABB in 2003 is A*AA in 2018. Read my comment again.

Also why did you gloss over my entire comment just to push your Oxbridge agenda. You addressed none of my points.

Insults are not needed. If you don't want to talk to him, don't reply.

I too think that unis have become harder to get into, but nowhere near as much as your (often misquoted) views.

Maths went from 36.6% getting A's to 17.5% getting A* and 24.3% getting A from 2003 to 2018. 36.6% A goes to 41.8% A*/A. That means grades have gotten inflated, and no doubt even more inflated form 1999 to 2003 as shown earlier in the thread. AAB-ABB is pretty equal to A*AA-AAA nowadays,

We had to rank choices in my day. One political hot mess.

You used 2003 as a data set. straight after you said ABB is equal to A*AA, unless you meant AAB is equal to A*AA and ABB = to AAA. If so, be more specific, because the way you've written it can technically interpreted as A*AA = ABB or A*AA = AAB. I went with the former, simply because of how outrageous this sounds.

So how is that a misquote? If anything it's misinterpretation but that stems from the way you've written it.

And I didn't reply to the other stuff because I don't see how it's relevant to the thread, No one's arguing against those points about STEM/Warwick etc.. Though the London unis have been popular for a long time.

Lord Mackay of Clashfern came from a similar lowly family background in much more recent times, and also became Lord Chancellor; Wolsely's father is said to have been a butcher, Mackay's was a railway signalman.

My father and James Mackay were in the same class at primary school in Edinburgh, each getting bursaries to different secondary schools. James went on to Edinburgh and later Cambridge University my father to Oxford and later Edinburgh University, both ending up in the legal profession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mackay,_Baron_Mackay_of_Clashfern

If you want a real benchmark from earlier in time, I sat my Scottish Highers in 1977/1978 ending up with BBBBC. Edinburgh, in 1980 ,accepted me on the basis of these when there was only circa 8,000 undergraduates in total at the university, so circa 2,000 undergraduate admission places in a year.

My wife's was also admitted to Edinburgh in 1978 but I think she has one A in her five.

There are now over three times that number of admissions each year at a much higher tariff (BBBBC would not give me a chance) which suggests strongly there has been a fair degree of grade inflation in the intervening years to account for the disparity. Very few students back then got 5 highers at A, in 1974 in my sister's year I only recall two (I remember this because she was one of them and they were made joint Dux of the school being a pretty rare event for more than one pupil achieving 5 As in a year).

If you want a real benchmark from earlier in time, I sat my Scottish Highers in 1977/1978 ending up with BBBBC. Edinburgh, in 1980 ,accepted me on the basis of these when there was only circa 8,000 undergraduates in total at the university, so circa 2,000 undergraduate admission places in a year.

My wife's was also admitted to Edinburgh in 1978 but I think she has one A in her five.

There are now over three times that number of admissions each year at a much higher tariff (BBBBC would not give me a chance) which suggests strongly there has been a fair degree of grade inflation in the intervening years to account for the disparity. Very few students back then got 5 highers at A, in 1974 in my sister's year I only recall two (I remember this because she was one of them and they were made joint Dux of the school being a pretty rare event for more than one pupil achieving 5 As in a year).

Edinburgh was accepting BBBBB (for engineering) as recently as 2008. Supply and demand and "contextual" factors also come into play, too.

I think what might have happened is that at select universities - and at many of these, some select courses - might have simply pulled away from the rest in terms of admissions requirements due to much more intense competition. We're seeing (or hearing) of some universities really having to try to compete for students (e.g. unconditional if firmed offers) whereas others are able to continually increase their entrance requirements.

Also higher entry tariffs enhance league rankings.

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Indirectly I imagine, and with a cap? Isn't it based on the student's grades? Similar to complete university guide with entry standards?

Edinburgh was accepting BBBBB (for engineering) as recently as 2008. Supply and demand and "contextual" factors also come into play, too.

I think what might have happened is that at select universities - and at many of these, some select courses - might have simply pulled away from the rest in terms of admissions requirements due to much more intense competition. We're seeing (or hearing) of some universities really having to try to compete for students (e.g. unconditional if firmed offers) whereas others are able to continually increase their entrance requirements.

Ngl, I don't know how comparable this is, because Scottish unis seem to ask more for A Level and English unis ask more for AH.

Like I've seen some Oxbridge and Imperial courses that ask for AAA (that's A*A*A* right)?