Fat lady in denial about how bad being fat is

It's definitely unhealthy and views denying this should not be endorsed.

Though if someone is fat we should not criticise their choice.

I've had loads of parents and close ones die purely of they're way of life, too much sugar, too much smoking, too much fatness.
and I think its completely stupid to die of your own hands

Though if someone is fat we should not criticise their choice.

Personally I'm fine with CRUK mounting awareness campaigns, and it's clearly silly to complain about 'fat shaming' in this case. However, they lose me when they start calling for things to be banned. There are altogether too many of these groups pushing for state interference in aspects of people's lives which are really none of anyone else's business.

When will people learn that the new left is a form of insanity

It is our business and we should criticise their choice if it's costing us a lot of money and putting unnecessary strain on the NHS.

I don't really care if you criticise or not. Just don't try to control people by banning things.

Fundamentally, people don't owe you, or anyone else, a duty to keep themselves in shape. That's their concern, and the fact that they have access to a socialised healthcare system that they didn't necessarily ask for and can't opt out of is no excuse at all for coercive state interference in their lifestyles.

If you object so strongly to fat people costing the NHS money, carve out self-inflicted obesity-related illnesses from coverage. At least in that case they're still at liberty to ignore you and what you think, which is my core concern.

'enjoy life' they say when eating bad food, but if you died early have you enjoyed life by just eating bad food? is that enjoying life?

Contrary to popular belief, poverty does not force you to sit around eating junk food and copious amounts of fat and sugar. Ethiopians and the homeless don't exactly have an obesity problem, and when times were financially rough for me, my problem was losing too much weight - not gaining it.

Yes they actually have topic in gender studies programmes called "Fat Studies" and they are being funded by the tax payer. Funding which they are using on research to support the benefits of fatness...I would not be surprised if a few years from now there will be a ton of research "proving" how healthy it is for women to become fat.

Feminism is not only empowering sexism and dividing men and women but its also actively involved in promoting an unhealthier society.

so not being fat means you don't eat good food? so macdos are Michelin stared i guess

I think that's a very good idea. And include benefits in that as well. Unfortunately I don't make those sorts of decisions so for now encouraging people to lose weight is the best option.

Out of interest, if someone was cutting themselves would you have the same opinion?

I think that, for as long as we have a socialised medical system, psychiatric illness should be treated by it. This makes dealing with people who cut themselves a bit more difficult, since clearly there will be a correlation there. In principle, though, if you have someone of sound mind who decides to cut himself, yes, I think the same applies.

Fatness, on the other hand, is generally just a matter of habit and choice rather than pathology.

n fact, given that there is clearly still ignorance about how bad obesity is, I think that further vindicates CRUK's decision to run this campaign. That people are trying to misrepresent this factual information into "Oh my god, it's fat shaming" is terrible. People may fat shame anyway, but the truth that being obese is a cause of cancer is still a truth people need to be aware of.

Diabetes, heart attacks and joint problems are just social constructs!

That's the problem, people are aware of the truth. In fact, the health risks of being obese are immensely well-known. It's sensible to come to the conclusion that these sorts of messages, e.g. 'being fat is bad', are unhelpful. In fact, the senior research fellow quoted in the BBC article you bring up suggests how these messages can contribute to a stigma that is ultimately counterproductive. We need to look at this complex matter differently and have an honest discussion about it, simply saying 'meh, this is the truth' is not good.

If someone is costing society thousands/ millions pounds on healthcare because of their lifestyle choices we can criticise. Why not? If we don't criticise it will become normal and cost the UK billions more and we dont want that do we?

It is our business and we should criticise their choice if it's costing us a lot of money and putting unnecessary strain on the NHS.

There's probably a lot of things you and I do that put unnecessary strain on the NHS.

None of us live the ideal healthy lifestyle where the cost to the NHS would be at a minimum. Therefore you can't objectively draw a line as to how healthy one 'should' live without some sort of criticism.