Any Athiests who now believe in God?

As you have just admitted that morality evolves socially, you cannot also claim divinely revealed objective morality.

the Bible provides the foundation for morality.

What did people do for morals before the Bible?

the same as after the bible. choose their own morals based on experience and interpretations.

I know that. I was asking the person who claims that morality only comes from the Bible.

Our purpose, why we're here, what the end goal is etc, I'm not going to go into detail about it here though.



By the way when you tag me don't forget to include the space otherwise it tags someone else

Obviously I would prefer @Golden State to believe in Islam as that is what I feel is correct but each to their own and as long as he is happy and gets meaning and purpose from Christianity then I say to his religion him and to my religion me

Why not? It's absolutely the appropriate thread and there may be people who would be convinced by your answers.
Remember that as a Muslim, you are now obliged to give dawah to disbelievers.

Ha, I have listened to Chopra but only meditation on youtube. Dunno what his views are.

I can't really talk about evidence on here, it's personal but it was remarkable and nothing like I expected it to be because of the people who sell it to you.

I'm not saying the divinity of Christ is certain to me, but having seen what I have I now think it's entirely possible, and that interventions by god is mysterious. I also choose to go with a more firm belief in it because as I'm aware of god it seems more respectful if it is true somehow.

But I believe in evolution, and science, and not creationism.(Then again if you combine the quantum universe with God you have some unusual possibilities for how reality can vary and be malleable)

I don't see why it's meaningless to talk about order, I guess I mean moral order beyond us.

I have my own scientific views about the universe and space time, so I don't really accept the linear 'what came before to make nothing into something argument'. It's more like the universe just is, and space time is complex, time is not linear like we perceive it.

I see God as being in the infinite, that which is beyond us in the universe, like with the big crunch, the big bang, the singularity point.

As for why I believe that about Christ, because what I've seen relates to that symbolism.

That wasn't what I asked.

What you believe or don't believe is irrelevant. If Christianity as described in the Bible is true, then your god will subject NinjaSquirrel to an eternity of torture. How do you feel about that?

Me too. However, that somewhat makes a mockery of the idea of divine revelation.

It also means that your "objective morals" are actually "socially evolved morals" - which is what an atheists morals are. So you argument about morality fails.

It's something that has troubled me tbh. Most of my family are non-Christian, Muslim to be specific. And personally, I wouldn't want any of my family members to be tortured for eternity, particularly my sisters. One's Muslim and the other one's an Atheist.

So, I hope this isn't the case regardless of what kind of God exists. I believe that God has plan for all of us, and that he doesn't want to torture people.

my question would be who wrote the bible. i am pretty sure it was written by human hands which undermines a lot of religious arguments including morality which is also man-made

If he has a plan for us that kind of defeats the point of free will doesn't it?

The bible was hand written but (as Christians believe) inspired by God.

Just to clarify not all Christians believe in eternal torture.

Technically Hell is "eternal separation from God".
I'm more inclined to believe that the people who don't believe will just stop existing.

I don't like it, and I don't think God does either and it does cause a lot of questions of why it is this way that I can't answer.

Just a point to say there are plenty of Christians who refute the idea that people who don't believe are going to burn for eternity or anything like that.

It'd be very difficult for me to imagine God as someone who would create a being knowing that the being would eventually be subjected to an eternity of pain.

Its only technically eternal separation from god since christians decided that burning in hell didn't sound very loving.In the bible though its very clear about the lake of burning sulphur and fire where there will be"weeping and gnashing of teeth".You can't just cherry pick which ideas you like in the bible.Either its all the word of god or none of it is.

The bible was hand written but (as Christians believe) inspired by God.

Is the evidence that the Bible was inspired by God to be found in the Bible itself?