You seem to be assuming people actually cared enough to research this as opposed to listening to both sides propaganda?
I think I'll use the easiest counter to that in that a great deal of people likely voted to remain to keep the status quo (anti bellum 😏) just as a lot of people voted to leave to stick it to the government

To assume everyone who voted did so in full possession of the facts is simply not true, nor possible

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username1148663

Original post by Napp

Neither of us suggested they did.

They will however know the basics of the eu.

Reply 48

Napp

Original post by paul514

Neither of us suggested they did.

They will however know the basics of the eu.

I will rephrase - to assume everyone who voted knew what they were voting for/that they understood anything or everything is still wrong - the law of averages is quite clear on this that some people would have voted without knowing anything about it. This is not as such a dig at leavers or remainers as people on both sides would have done it

Reply 49

username1148663

Original post by Napp

But you are suggesting that so many voters didn’t even know what the eu was it was the number one search the next day.

I can never agree to that as ...... no I can’t think of a different word.

It’s too stupid

Reply 50

Napp

Original post by paul514

That is exactly what i'm suggesting. Given that half of these people seem to be under the illusion the EU is some sort of dictatorship on a par with the USSR i think i'm being quite polite on the matter.

Reply 51

username1148663

Original post by Napp

Well we can let the people reading to decide if you are right or not as we know what each other thinks

Reply 52

bob072

Original post by mariachi

the referendum has quietly disappeared from the 5 stars rhetoric over the last year. Yes, the party used to be very anti-establishment, but this has changed dramatically : and even more so now, that they actually can hope to be in government. It is true that it's a very diverse party, with huge changes and somersaults in official positions. It used to hold many votes online, to stream online political meetings, but this also has changed a lot recentlyactually (and paradoxically) everything now depends from the PD, the heavily defeated ruling party
since neither the center-right (Lega and Forza Italia coalition) nor the 5 stars have the absolute majority, the PD could decide to support either of them (which would be enough for guaranteeing a safe majority)

however, the PD has not yet decided what it will do :Renzi (its leader until now) wants the party to remain in opposition, but a part of PD wants to support the 5 stars

so, it' either a 5star/PD government or a "technical" government by apolitical figures, until perhaps the electoral law is changed and new elections are held

what seems impossible are a 5star/center-right alliance (they deeply dislike each other, and compete on the same ground for the same votes) or a center-right/PD one (politically next to impossible for the PD)

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Sorry to say, but it looks like you could hardly have been more wrong.

The 5SM founder repeated his call for a referendum on the Euro last week, and the only coalition making progress is 5 star movement/ Lega.

Reply 53

mariachi

Original post by bob072

Grillo (the 5SM founder) is by now sidelined by the young and much more moderate "political head" (capo politico) of the 5stars, Luigi Di Maio, and there is precious little talk about a referendum on the Euro (referendums on international treaties are, in any case, not allowed by the Italian Constitution : in order to authorise it, a Constitutional law would have to be adopted - a very complex and unlikely affair )

yes, at present the 5stars and the Lega are trying to find an agreement for a government, after the possibility of a 5star/PD alliance was ruled out by the PD. Also, the Lega, to all effects, has left the center-right alliance previously set up with Berlusconi (who, as an ally, was an absolute taboo for the 5stars) and this has decisively changed the cards on the table : yes, two months are a very long time in politics.

In fact, In a few months' time, a referendum on the euro may be resuscitated, especially if a new "populist" Lega-5star government is in power and feels it has to "deliver" something to its electorate, in the face of the obvious difficulties it will encounter (mainly, the management of budget deficit and public debt) and growing impopularity

Anyway, more in general, we should bear in mind that making predictions is a risky business : and especially about the future

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(edited 5 years ago)