Why do women want gender equality in the workplace, but not in dating?

Well it could be the same in reversed lol. I never, and I mean almost never see guys (my age) making eye contact with me, let alone smiling at me. I get approached like 3 times a year by guys (my age). How am I supposed to know if they want me to approach them?
What if I approach them, then they reject me and talk about the weird girl that approached them in starbucks....

Your mother should tell you about boys and dating. It is a right of passage for many people.

A guy who is attractive and approaches a girl - he is cute/sexy/confident.

A guy who is ugly and approaches a girl - creepy, weird, sexual harrassment, pervert, rapist etc.

There's a good image (can't find it now) which sums up different things a guy can do. And a girl will think everything an attractive guy does is cute/mysterious/sexy. The same things done by an ugly guy will be creepy/weird/loser-like.

And then girls say looks don't matter and it's personality which counts. That is utter rubbish. Looks only start to not matter at a much older age (like 40's or 50's). Right through your teens and 20's, even into your 30's, looks are everything.

That is the issue about dating and making moves. You win some and you lose some. Most of the time, it is the guy that tries to make the first move, sometimes the girl should do so.

Your mother should tell you about boys and dating. It is a right of passage for many people.

Well, so why were you complaining about me at least showing signs when guys never show signs they want to be approached? How am I supposed to know they are into me?


Not everyone has a relationship with their Mother like that...I dont....

If you don't have a relationship with your mom, that is fair.

You are now changing your stance. Before you used to argue that you would never approach a guy, but now you are talking about not having sufficient cues from lads.

To me, we are not all the same, you will get a good sign from a guy and nothing from someone else.

Well, to me, there is no reason to approach a guy with no evidence he will be interested. Like....guys hardly make eye contact with me (no joke)
So what if I changed my stance? I change my opinions all the time. I would be okay with initiating a conversation. BUT it would be better if the guy gave me some hints because that never happens.

BTW, Why did you say mom and not mum....you are not American?.............

I have been Americanised so much that i make grammatical errors.

Now you probably see how frustrating it is for a guy. What kind of signals would you need to talk to a guy?

Really...I mean this is a British site, so..?

No, because I give signs. Guys my age dont look in my direction. He needs to look in my direction at least, lmao.

But the passing of laws don't of themselves represent what people actually believe, no matter how you characterise 'many'. I'm sure there are laws which do represent the beliefs of 'many' but that's not the same thing as saying a law demonstrates the belief of many, indeed some laws seem to fly in the face of popular belief no matter that there might be democratic representation of some kind. Moreover, there will be laws passed every day which the wider population are completely ignorant about let alone have a belief as to. Let me help you out though seeing as you're not getting anywhere with all this. I believe that women are people, I don't believe that a foetus is a person, I believe that a foetus starts to gain personhood when it is at, or is close to, physiological independence from the mother. Is there an arbitrary quality to that? Sure, but as I definitely do not accept that a fertilised egg is suddenly a person and there is a development from that to personhood I think that is the most sensible point at which to identify the status. Until a foetus is physiologically independent then it is still, in my view, something of an organ of the mother.

Many people have been Americanised that we interchange British and American words.

So you would only give signs to the guy?

So you believe that, at the point where a child could be viable and physically survive without the mother, that we should outlaw abortion at that point? That isn't arbitary at all and, in fact, much of the argument for 24 weeks was based around that.


http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2008/05/viability-and-the-abortion-debate-what-really-matters/

(With an Oxford reference for your perusal)


Obviously, you know I'm about to say "Science is advancing to the point where children more and more premature are being able to survive. This is why the current limit was placed at 24 weeks because, at the time the laws were passed, that was the limit that science could save the child.

Currently, Amillia Taylor is the youngest premature child to be born(At 21 weeks). Do you think that the age of abortion should be reduced to less than 21 weeks, now that science has improved?

idk, i might initiate one day..who knows....lol

If I didn't use TSR, I wouldn't have even known that guys want women to do the approaching. It's literally only men in the UK that want women to start doing the approaching, it's so odd to me.
A lot of guys dont give hints or even smile at me so how am I supposed to know they want me to approach them?

This...was my response.

Guy dont give me hints that they want me to approach them so how am I supposed to make a first move?

Firstly, I am not persuaded that you know how old he is. Secondly, I wouldn't be surprised about 10-year-olds using internet porn if they can get erections. Maybe I was a freak but I was already getting erections as a 10-year-old, I'm guessing you weren't (assuming you are more than 10, which I admit is an assumption).

It's literally only men in the UK that want women to start doing the approaching, it's so odd to me.

You don't need hints. Just go in with the view that most guys will **** anything and you will be ok. In that regard, you've always got the upper hand as a female.


This is what happened to me this morning (with regards to approaching girls + them giving signals):

This morning, there was a new girl at the place I work part time. She was staring at me a reasonable amount (we locked eyes for a good 2-3 seconds a few times). She smiled at me when I went to get something I needed from a desk drawer near her.

I overheard her saying she was an Italian exchange student. So immediately I knew I had to approach, because in those cultures, they have clearly defined gender roles - which means men always approach women. After a while, I plucked up the courage and asked her a few questions like "what's your name, are you on a foreign exchange etc." She was pleasant, but more out of politeness, rather than a sense that she actually wanted me to talk to her.

About half an hour later, I asked her "so, may I ask, do you have a boyfriend?". She said yes. I asked "is he Italian, does he live in Italy?". She said yes. I asked her what she was doing afterwards and she said "going out with a friend". I pretty much ended the conversation there and didn't talk to her again. It was clear she wasn't interested in me.

So a girl who I thought was giving me decent signals, was actually just being pleasant and friendly, not wanting anything romantic/sexual. I could have tried to flirt, but she didn't come across like she wanted me to. Also her English wasn't great, so there was a language barrier (she asked me to repeat 2 things I asked her, because she didn't understand).


Now you see why signals need to be a lot stronger than a bit of smiling and eye contact? And in those first few seconds of him talking to you, you've really got to be very open and friendly. Guys will generally not waste their time if your behaviour is obscure or they can't pick up obvious signals. They will instead move onto a different girl. Life is too short to chase a girl who is messing you around.

It really, really isn't, but w/e.

Yes it really, really is. I know if I was in America I wouldn't have this problem.

Your first sentence alone is why I really won't bother. Not every girl looking that is approaching is looking to get laid.


Yes it really, really is. I know if I was in America I wouldn't have this problem.