Student subjected to racist abuse at Nottingham Trent University

We are shocked and appalled by this video. This vile behaviour will not be tolerated at NTU. We value being a diverse global community, with staff and students from across the world.

We are in regular contact with our student who made the complaint and are providing support.

The suspected perpetrators have been suspended immediately and we have begun an investigation. We are also cooperating fully with the police, who have launched a criminal investigation and have made arrests.

It’s clear that there have been delays in dealing with this incident, and that is completely unacceptable. We will work with our accommodation partner to review our processes to ensure this never happens again.

Hopefully there will be some mandatory racial sensitivity training for students after this.

There wasn't at my university - unless you specifically went to diversity events, i.e. weren't a part of the problem in the first place, you didn't learn about racial diversity and tolerance.

The outcome is good, they've been suspended and arrested, its evident that she was an easy target and I'm happy with NTUs response.

Its funny how some peoole think its got to do with a level grades. Lol.

But it is not commonplace, when there is a racist incident it is often right on the news and ends up with severe punishment, and if you think that racism is a white thing then think again, go ask an angry pakistani what he thinks of indians, go talk to a Peruvian person and ask their opinions on chile, see what the Japanese think of the chinese (Obviously it is not everyone) it is certainly not a white only thing and things are clearly being done about these issues

. Ay the moment all we know is this is one isolated incident. Considering hundreds of thousands of students pass through uni then its unsurprising some of them are racists..

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Ngl this is naive. It happens much more often than you'd think. Especially at clubs or on busses at night time. It's just that a lot of the time it isn't recorded. If the student in this one didn't record it, no one would believe her.

To claim it's an isolated incident is ludicrous lol

I don’t think it was to do with a levels but as someone who attends NTU I don’t want to be put on the same par as these sort of people and collectively labelled as “dumbasses” because of a few racist idiots who shouldn’t have got into uni in the first place, I’m worried it’s tarnished it’s reputation because they let people in who shouldn’t have got in in the first place

When I was listening to the VC or whoever was the rep from the uni last night, she was horrified and they are taking it seriously.

If its down to one member of staff at the accommodation partner not dealing with it or UPP not informing people then thats where part of the blame lies. I cant see what else the uni could do after the event?

Immediate investigation.
Arrested and co op with police.
Suspended individuals following procedures, but expect them to expelled from the course along with any other discipline.

They will then spend money on reading the riot at to UPP or even dumpping them, plus an awareness campaign and practical steps and helplines to make sure students know they can report direct.

You cant really stop them slipping through as there arent screening processes for immature racists.

I dont think rep will be damaged.

"Go ask an angry pakistani what he thinks of indians". The vast majority of Pakistanis are Asian, and the vast majority of Indians are also Asian, therefore is not racism; it is prejudice.

"Go talk to a Peruvian person and ask their opinion on chile". Well, Peru and Chile contain a multitude of ethnic groups, many of which are shared by both countries, so unless the race of the individual is specified, you cannot refer to it as racism.

"See what the Japanese think of the Chinese". Again, Japanese people and Chinese people are both East Asian, therefore this is not racism; this is prejudice.

Your point is rather redundant. You purport to be shining a light on racism within other communities, but you've instead given examples of prejudice within races.

"Go ask an angry pakistani what he thinks of indians". The vast majority of Pakistanis are Asian, and the vast majority of Indians are also Asian, therefore is not racism; it is prejudice.

"Go talk to a Peruvian person and ask their opinion on chile". Well, Peru and Chile contain a multitude of ethnic groups, many of which are shared by both countries, so unless the race of the individual is specified, you cannot refer to it as racism.

"See what the Japanese think of the Chinese". Again, Japanese people and Chinese people are both East Asian, therefore this is not racism; this is prejudice.

I'm not quite understanding why you've used such baseless, fallacious points in order to shift the focus of this thread. It appears as though you've latched onto an unrelated point in order to push your agenda.

Hundreds of racist incidents occur each day in the UK, and a very large percentage are unfortunately not reported to the police. In fact, I witnessed two separate racist incidents on the bus yesterday involving other passengers and I doubt very much so that either of them contacted the police.

People are scared to report racist incidents to the police, in case we are seen as wasting police time, or reporting something which isn't deemed as important. As a result people are less inclined to report these incidents. This may seem irrational to you, however you cannot blindly refute the legitimacy of my point.

Had this girl reported the incident immediately to the police, you would also hear many people complaining that she is "wasting police resources" due to the fact that they could have been "fighting real crime".

Your point about "when there is a racist incident it is often right on the news and ends up with severe punishment" is rather untrue. The amount of racist incidents that appear on the news is infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. If a large percentage of racist incidents did in fact appear on the news each day, the news programme slot would have to be several hours long in order for the newsreader to detail all of the incidents.

I don’t think it was to do with a levels but as someone who attends NTU I don’t want to be put on the same par as these sort of people and collectively labelled as “dumbasses” because of a few racist idiots who shouldn’t have got into uni in the first place, I’m worried it’s tarnished it’s reputation because they let people in who shouldn’t have got in in the first place

Racism often is used not just for race but for nationality too, and Chinese and Japanese and all the ones I mentioned are certainly different nationalities. None of this is baseless, it was an argument against that user saying it was a white people problem I was stating that it was a problem for most nationalities and races.

It is a baseless argument, as the definition of racism is:

racismˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/noun



Race is not necessarily akin to nationality, so the majority of your argument is flawed. It cannot be racism if the two parties are members of the same race. It can be xenophobic, or prejudiced yes, but not racist. Your hypothesis could only involve racism if the Japanese national that you happened to be talking about was a different race to the Chinese national, and the Chinese national that you were talking about was a different race to the Japanese national. However, the vast majority of Chinese people are Asian, and the vast majority of Japanese people are Asian, so this is not an example of racism.

I think the response from the uni was sufficient, so I don't think people will put all students into one category. But "they shouldn't have got into uni" is wrong because people get accepted based on academic achievement mostly, there isn't a questionnaire about whether they're racist or not, they're wrongdoings isn't the fault of the uni.

You are using your own definitions to define ... your own definitions. Pakistanis and Indians are not of the same race necessarily. Ask any Chinese whether he thinks he is of the same race as a Japanese man. East Asian means virtually nothing, and Asian even less. The east Asian area encompasses about eight countries and a couple of dozen ethnic groups. The Indian subcontinent has far more.

Racism is the practice of discriminating against people based on their race, national or ethnic background. Although old prejudices often live on, most people will agree that racism is unacceptable.

Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. Today, the use of the term "racism" does not easily fall under a single definition.


Hence why I said often, many sources say racism can be race or nationality many sources differ but many would call chinese vs japanese insultes based on ethnicity racism

There isn't any definitive "research data."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/when-the-facts-came-out-the-killing-of-a-polish-man-had-nothing-to-do-with-anti-immigrant-feeling/

What you’ve just done there is provided me with a link to an interepretation from a news outlet. It’s no no different to providing me with an article from the daily mail. A link to the spectator is not research.

I look at research findings from the source and those sources tend to be reputable research publications, that have been peer reviewed. In this instance I will trust research from the Institute of Race Relations, not the Spectator, Daily Mail or other media outlet that will put it’s own spin on research reports.

The rise of race incidents post Brexit is undeniable and data does not lie. However the cause and effect is fully yet to be established.

Extract from your spectator magazine:

‘The figures have to be considered in the context of rising reports of ‘hate crime’ since it was first introduced as a category of crime five years ago. In 2013/14 there were 44,577 hate crimes, followed by 52,465 in 2014/15 and 62,518 in 2015/16. Interestingly, the figures have spiked in July each year, perhaps as people take advantage of long evenings to spend more time on the street. If Britons have been becoming more hateful over the past few years it is a trend which began long before the EU referendum’

Whole load of speculation based on figures, it proves nothing.