Degree courses to be rated gold, silver and bronze
The government has revealed new plans to rank degree courses in a way similar to the current TEF Ranking system (Gold, Silver and Bronze).
The current Universities Minister, Sam Gyimah MP who was also interviewed by TSR (you can watch the interview here) said:
"Prospective students deserve to know which courses deliver great teaching and great outcomes - and which ones are lagging behind. In the age of the student, universities will no longer be able to hide if their teaching quality is not up to the world-class standard that we expect."
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As with all things government, this will take time and the tool should be released by 2020.
The BBC article is here
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What do you think? Would you have found something like this useful when you were applying to universities? Do you have faith in the methodology that might be employed to classify subjects? How would you use this in conjunction with current university rankings?
The current Universities Minister, Sam Gyimah MP who was also interviewed by TSR (you can watch the interview here) said:
"Prospective students deserve to know which courses deliver great teaching and great outcomes - and which ones are lagging behind. In the age of the student, universities will no longer be able to hide if their teaching quality is not up to the world-class standard that we expect."
--
As with all things government, this will take time and the tool should be released by 2020.
The BBC article is here
--
What do you think? Would you have found something like this useful when you were applying to universities? Do you have faith in the methodology that might be employed to classify subjects? How would you use this in conjunction with current university rankings?
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Blue_Cow
The government has revealed new plans to rank degree courses in a way similar to the current TEF Ranking system (Gold, Silver and Bronze).
The current Universities Minister, Sam Gyimah MP who was also interviewed by TSR (you can watch the interview here) said:
"Prospective students deserve to know which courses deliver great teaching and great outcomes - and which ones are lagging behind. In the age of the student, universities will no longer be able to hide if their teaching quality is not up to the world-class standard that we expect."
--
As with all things government, this will take time and the tool should be released by 2020.
The BBC article is here
--
What do you think? Would you have found something like this useful when you were applying to universities? Do you have faith in the methodology that might be employed to classify subjects?
The current Universities Minister, Sam Gyimah MP who was also interviewed by TSR (you can watch the interview here) said:
"Prospective students deserve to know which courses deliver great teaching and great outcomes - and which ones are lagging behind. In the age of the student, universities will no longer be able to hide if their teaching quality is not up to the world-class standard that we expect."
--
As with all things government, this will take time and the tool should be released by 2020.
The BBC article is here
--
What do you think? Would you have found something like this useful when you were applying to universities? Do you have faith in the methodology that might be employed to classify subjects?
By this system, isn't every course at Imperial College going to be rated Gold? Cause STEM and London = Money + the TEF Gold they already have.
And for other univerisites, would humanities struggle to be Gold? Or is it all relative?
Original post by Kyber Ninja
By this system, isn't every course at Imperial College going to be rated Gold? Cause STEM and London = Money + the TEF Gold they already have.
And for other univerisites, would humanities struggle to be Gold? Or is it all relative?
And for other univerisites, would humanities struggle to be Gold? Or is it all relative?
The metrics are all benchmarked against a number of criteria to pin down the influence of the university rather than the profile of the students/subjects they teach.
http://www.hefce.ac.uk/media/HEFCE,2014/Content/Learning,and,teaching/TEF/Guidance/TEF_Year_Three_Provider_briefing_slides_Nov_2017.pdf Slide 37 shows what factors are considered for benchmarking each metric
(edited 6 years ago)
So the criteria are going to be great teaching and great outcomes. For me, those two are not necessarily linked.
Plus I don't want to see smiley-faced ex-polies' lecturers (who use pedagogical tables and acrostics, all the while avoiding any hard content) to be said to have superior teaching over someone who is dry but engaging the most advanced topics in the subject area. I know which one would teach me the most.
Plus I don't want to see smiley-faced ex-polies' lecturers (who use pedagogical tables and acrostics, all the while avoiding any hard content) to be said to have superior teaching over someone who is dry but engaging the most advanced topics in the subject area. I know which one would teach me the most.
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Blue_Cow
"Prospective students deserve to know which courses deliver great outcomes"
That's where things could get interesting. Especially with the news of people suing their university for not getting the job they thought they would / should (paraphrasing).
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It's not "courses" that are rated. At the moment the plan is to rate each of 35 subject areas:
Medicine And Dentistry
Nursing
Pharmacology, Toxicology And Pharmacy
Subjects Allied To Medicine Not Otherwise Specified
Biosciences
Sport And Exercise Sciences
Psychology
Veterinary Sciences
Agriculture, Food And Related Studies
Physics And Astronomy
Chemistry
Physical, Material And Forensic Sciences
General And Others In Sciences
Mathematical Sciences
Engineering
Technology
Computing
Geographical And Environmental Studies
Architecture, Building And Planning
Humanities And Liberal Arts (Non-Specific)
Sociology, Social Policy And Anthropology
Economics
Politics
Health And Social Care
Law
Business And Management
Communications And Media
English Studies
Celtic Studies
Languages, Linguistics And Classics
History And Archaeology
Philosophy And Religious Studies
Creative Arts And Design
Education And Teaching
Combined And General Studies
Medicine And Dentistry
Nursing
Pharmacology, Toxicology And Pharmacy
Subjects Allied To Medicine Not Otherwise Specified
Biosciences
Sport And Exercise Sciences
Psychology
Veterinary Sciences
Agriculture, Food And Related Studies
Physics And Astronomy
Chemistry
Physical, Material And Forensic Sciences
General And Others In Sciences
Mathematical Sciences
Engineering
Technology
Computing
Geographical And Environmental Studies
Architecture, Building And Planning
Humanities And Liberal Arts (Non-Specific)
Sociology, Social Policy And Anthropology
Economics
Politics
Health And Social Care
Law
Business And Management
Communications And Media
English Studies
Celtic Studies
Languages, Linguistics And Classics
History And Archaeology
Philosophy And Religious Studies
Creative Arts And Design
Education And Teaching
Combined And General Studies
The whole point of the media coverage today is to collect responses to their consultation
https://consult.education.gov.uk/higher-education-reform/teaching-excellence-and-student-outcomes-framework/
That includes questions on the subject categories used, whether to assess all subjects or just those that differ from the university average, how to measure teaching intensity, whether grade inflation should be included at subject level or not and a bunch of other questions.
If you've got an opinion about what the TEF should be measuring and what should be considered then the consultation is the way to get your voice heard - posting on this thread wont change government policy.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/higher-education-reform/teaching-excellence-and-student-outcomes-framework/
That includes questions on the subject categories used, whether to assess all subjects or just those that differ from the university average, how to measure teaching intensity, whether grade inflation should be included at subject level or not and a bunch of other questions.
If you've got an opinion about what the TEF should be measuring and what should be considered then the consultation is the way to get your voice heard - posting on this thread wont change government policy.
Original post by PQ
It's not "courses" that are rated. At the moment the plan is to rate each of 35 subject areas:
Medicine And Dentistry
Nursing
Pharmacology, Toxicology And Pharmacy
Subjects Allied To Medicine Not Otherwise Specified
Biosciences
Sport And Exercise Sciences
Psychology
Veterinary Sciences
Agriculture, Food And Related Studies
Physics And Astronomy
Chemistry
Physical, Material And Forensic Sciences
General And Others In Sciences
Mathematical Sciences
Engineering
Technology
Computing
Geographical And Environmental Studies
Architecture, Building And Planning
Humanities And Liberal Arts (Non-Specific)
Sociology, Social Policy And Anthropology
Economics
Politics
Health And Social Care
Law
Business And Management
Communications And Media
English Studies
Celtic Studies
Languages, Linguistics And Classics
History And Archaeology
Philosophy And Religious Studies
Creative Arts And Design
Education And Teaching
Combined And General Studies
Medicine And Dentistry
Nursing
Pharmacology, Toxicology And Pharmacy
Subjects Allied To Medicine Not Otherwise Specified
Biosciences
Sport And Exercise Sciences
Psychology
Veterinary Sciences
Agriculture, Food And Related Studies
Physics And Astronomy
Chemistry
Physical, Material And Forensic Sciences
General And Others In Sciences
Mathematical Sciences
Engineering
Technology
Computing
Geographical And Environmental Studies
Architecture, Building And Planning
Humanities And Liberal Arts (Non-Specific)
Sociology, Social Policy And Anthropology
Economics
Politics
Health And Social Care
Law
Business And Management
Communications And Media
English Studies
Celtic Studies
Languages, Linguistics And Classics
History And Archaeology
Philosophy And Religious Studies
Creative Arts And Design
Education And Teaching
Combined And General Studies
I wonder why Celtic Studies has it's own 'subject area' whereas all other modern language/area studies subjects are grouped together. Strange.
Original post by Snufkin
I wonder why Celtic Studies has it's own 'subject area' whereas all other modern language/area studies subjects are grouped together. Strange.
Because Wales.
About time. Maybe it'll stop Brittany Chantelle and her 2:1 in Media and Feminist Theatre Studies from some solvent thinking they're Einstein.
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