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University of Warwick suspends 11 students over rape jokes

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Why is this still going on? They were suspended, not kicked out. They'll be back soon and better be without more rape jokes.
Original post by nulli tertius
I think liability to punishment depends on whether publication was reasonably foreseeable ie an objective test. The level of punishment should depend on actual foresight ie a subjective test and actual and potential harm caused with a leaning towards actual harm.


Perhaps you're right that it would be treated this way by the courts, though I have some doubts about its usefulness. It would mean that only people who are entirely sure that their comments would not be shared would be safe (breach of confidence would be unforeseeable (usually), but what about where you might foresee something equivalent to whistle-blowing (even if it does not meet the public interest test)?).

Also say you make rape comments quite seriously, tell your friend to send them to the victim of the comments, and realise there is maybe a 50/50 chance they will send the comments, that would be as culpable as the Warwick case where there is a very high likelihood that the comments would not be shared with third parties. After all, there are millions of chats like this in the world (which are hugely embarrassing to the participants), and only 10 or so have been outed to the press in this way.

I don't think that stuffy old judges, who don't truly understand social media and would be shocked if someone burped without excusing themselves, can be trusted to determine what is reasonable behaviour in the modern age. E.g. R v Brown.
Original post by Notoriety
Perhaps you're right that it would be treated this way by the courts, though I have some doubts about its usefulness. It would mean that only people who are entirely sure that their comments would not be shared would be safe (breach of confidence would be unforeseeable (usually), but what about where you might foresee something equivalent to whistle-blowing (even if it does not meet the public interest test)?).

Also say you make rape comments quite seriously, tell your friend to send them to the victim of the comments, and realise there is maybe a 50/50 chance they will send the comments, that would be as culpable as the Warwick case where there is a very high likelihood that the comments would not be shared with third parties. After all, there are millions of chats like this in the world (which are hugely embarrassing to the participants), and only 10 or so have been outed to the press in this way.


I don't think you are right about the "very high". I think in both the Warwick and the Exeter cases, what you have a large groups of students with no real shared ideology and little personal loyalty. The Exeter group might have started as a tightly knit group of friends but it clearly expanded as the message board became used for law society communications. It looks as though the Warwick group started large. If the group was threatening to cut off members' tongues between the low and high water marks, then betrayal might be understandable, but membership of these groups were available for the asking.


I don't think that stuffy old judges, who don't truly understand social media and would be shocked if someone burped without excusing themselves, can be trusted to determine what is reasonable behaviour in the modern age. E.g. R v Brown.


Judges, like most professions, are communicating privately electronically and they are very clear about what is and what is not in the public domain.
Didn't actually see this, but it is the CA so quite impossible for it to ignore HL precedent (especially one as prominent and as controversial as R v Brown!). Maybe if Denning were about and on the Crim side. Likely need statute to correct it.

We had some changes in the law about the production of pornography in the UK, too (in 2014). Proscribing extreme pornography and I think the tagline was "Parliament bans face-sitting" -- a technical change in law which had adverse consequences but still. Makes it unlikely that liberal sexual ideas will take over Parliament any time soon.

Original post by nulli tertius
I don't think you are right about the "very high". I think in both the Warwick and the Exeter cases, what you have a large groups of students with no real shared ideology and little personal loyalty. The Exeter group might have started as a tightly knit group of friends but it clearly expanded as the message board became used for law society communications. It looks as though the Warwick group started large. If the group was threatening to cut off members' tongues between the low and high water marks, then betrayal might be understandable, but membership of these groups were available for the asking.

Judges, like most professions, are communicating privately electronically and they are very clear about what is and what is not in the public domain.


Well, I will defer to you re how the youth communicate and the inherent expectations of the participants in those chats. You clearly know an awful lot more about it than me (somehow). Unless the types of chats here are in fact different to those used by middle-aged professionals who are work colleagues.

The Exeter chat was not a large chat, nor was it a law society chat; it was just a group chat for friends. I cannot speak about the Warwick chat.
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Brit jokes have always been no holds barred but in the past, they have been told selectively and in private. Unfortunately, the internet has made them available to a wider audience. Maybe that campus cat has been passing them on, lol.
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