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What do guys really think about paying on the first date?

Just curious because as a girl I have such a strong opinion about this as I do with everything lol. I know some men/boys feel emasculated if the girl was to pay.

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Original post by tsranonymous
Just curious because as a girl I have such a strong opinion about this as I do with everything lol. I know some men/boys feel emasculated if the girl was to pay.


1. If a person asks then you are their guest and the assumption is that they pay.

2. If you wish to go dutch, then ask and they should without fuss agree to this.

3. If they wont agree and are insistent, despite making it clear it is your preference to go dutch, then they are idiot for not listening. They may also have the idea they are buying you.

4. I might also be aware of their being a great earnings differential between two people.

5. The guest can always buy drinks or pay next time.

6. It shouldnt be an issue and if you can't sort something like this out without fuss, then you dont have much chance of making it as a couple.

Thems my rules.
I don't really think the man should have to pay. In Western society, women are considered equal to men, so I don't think it's necessary for men to pay.

People can't have it both ways. Can't want equality, but then also expect the boy to pay.
Reply 3
Doesn't bother me either way.
not a guy but i think all this first date paying will be sorted if u guys pay equally according to what u ordered.
Original post by Anonymous
I don't really think the man should have to pay. In Western society, women are considered equal to men, so I don't think it's necessary for men to pay.

People can't have it both ways. Can't want equality, but then also expect the boy to pay.



See this is exactly the way I think aswell. I know there are some women who always want the man to pay but I don’t understand because if he always treats you then who treats him.
That's easy, pay for the stuff that you had at the date, be it tickets, food or drinks. And they pay for the stuff they had. I like it this way.

I don't like the idea of splitting it equally since someone may get way more than the other and then whoever is not is paying way more than they have had too.
Original post by monkeyman0121
That's easy, pay for the stuff that you had at the date, be it tickets, food or drinks. And they pay for the stuff they had. I like it this way.

I don't like the idea of splitting it equally since someone may get way more than the other and then whoever is not is paying way more than they have had too.


Yeah I agree with you.
Original post by tsranonymous
See this is exactly the way I think aswell. I know there are some women who always want the man to pay but I don’t understand because if he always treats you then who treats him.


Thats the sad reality sometimes, however i'm sure guys don't mind paying it shows that they are a generous person and don't expect things in return which women find an attractive quality most times.
Reply 9
Here's how it should work IMO
If you've asked them out/ chose the place, you definitely offer as there could be confusion that you were offering to treat them from the offset and they may not be able to afford a place you've chose.
In general, for a perfect first date, the guy offers to pay when the bill comes, it shows an element of romantic attraction still and not wanting to end the date as" just friends"
However, the woman should then say "no, I'll pay for myself" or "Ok, I'll get it next time"
This shows that the woman was genuinely interested in your company and that you were worth paying for as a mutual enjoyment and she's not some "thot" who swiped for a free meal or has some entitlement that her company should be paid for.
There are exceptions to this, such as a big, big financial disparity or if the man chooses a ridiculously expensive restaurant.
This way the man goes home knowing that the woman actively wanted to go on the date and the woman goes home knowing the man was romantic/ nice enough to offer to pay.
Original post by MJ1012
Here's how it should work IMO
If you've asked them out/ chose the place, you definitely offer as there could be confusion that you were offering to treat them from the offset and they may not be able to afford a place you've chose.
In general, for a perfect first date, the guy offers to pay when the bill comes, it shows an element of romantic attraction still and not wanting to end the date as" just friends"
However, the woman should then say "no, I'll pay for myself" or "Ok, I'll get it next time"
This shows that the woman was genuinely interested in your company and that you were worth paying for as a mutual enjoyment and she's not some "thot" who swiped for a free meal or has some entitlement that her company should be paid for.
There are exceptions to this, such as a big, big financial disparity or if the man chooses a ridiculously expensive restaurant.
This way the man goes home knowing that the woman actively wanted to go on the date and the woman goes home knowing the man was romantic/ nice enough to offer to pay.


Yeah I definitely agree with you. It should work like this but it’s a shame it doesn’t always.
Original post by Decipher
Thats the sad reality sometimes, however i'm sure guys don't mind paying it shows that they are a generous person and don't expect things in return which women find an attractive quality most times.


Yeah I guess so, but it’s the same women who want the men to pay who’ll pull the ‘men and women are equal’ card.
Reply 12
This is how it should work IN MY OPINION

Find the sum of the total amount that the bill is for the food, drinks, crisps, whatever people have on dates.
Then make the sum equal to 0.
After this take X on one side.
Differentiate and find the derivative.
Make the gradient =0 and find the stationary point

Determine if the stationary point is a min/max and if it is min the guy pays and if it is max the women pays

BOOM! Always works, such a easy way of doing things
Thank you
Take a bow @as125
Original post by Anonymous
I don't really think the man should have to pay. In Western society, women are considered equal to men, so I don't think it's necessary for men to pay.

People can't have it both ways. Can't want equality, but then also expect the boy to pay.


why not? if a man wants to make a good impression he should try to pay just for the first time. he shouldn't push it, if she wants to go halves, but it's a gentlemanly gesture just for the first time.
Original post by tsranonymous
Yeah I guess so, but it’s the same women who want the men to pay who’ll pull the ‘men and women are equal’ card.


obviously its a kind gesture to offer to pay as a man, but if the women says something like "dw about it i will pay for myself" then its fine. But if the guy is adamant on paying then that raises other issues and can be seen as rude for the girl.

And also women who are two faced and do both expect to pay and then be adamant on paying, are the types that men would wanna avoid, so they can carry one it only makes it easier for guys to decide if she is worth continuing a relationship with or not.
Original post by MJ1012
Here's how it should work IMO
If you've asked them out/ chose the place, you definitely offer as there could be confusion that you were offering to treat them from the offset and they may not be able to afford a place you've chose.
In general, for a perfect first date, the guy offers to pay when the bill comes, it shows an element of romantic attraction still and not wanting to end the date as" just friends"
However, the woman should then say "no, I'll pay for myself" or "Ok, I'll get it next time"
This shows that the woman was genuinely interested in your company and that you were worth paying for as a mutual enjoyment and she's not some "thot" who swiped for a free meal or has some entitlement that her company should be paid for.
There are exceptions to this, such as a big, big financial disparity or if the man chooses a ridiculously expensive restaurant.
This way the man goes home knowing that the woman actively wanted to go on the date and the woman goes home knowing the man was romantic/ nice enough to offer to pay.


And, if a woman offers to pay, it should be a genuine request and not fake courtesy. The only way to know for sure is to let her pay without fuss. If she shows clear discomfort or decides to not go on a second date with you because of this , then you've dodged a bullet unless that's the kind of woman you desire.
If I'm "taking" a girl out for dinner / lunch etc, I would treat her as my guest and insist on paying 2-3 times then be happy to split (it's meant to be my treat in my opinion)...
If it's a mutual "we should go out at some point", I'd offer to pay (out of habit) but happily without discussing split the bill if offered
If the girl is taking me out... 9/10 I'd be offering out of formality (happy to split though too), and would equally be willing for the girl to pay
Original post by petalsunrise
why not? if a man wants to make a good impression he should try to pay just for the first time. he shouldn't push it, if she wants to go halves, but it's a gentlemanly gesture just for the first time.


But why? What is the logical reason for why he should offer?

(Obviously it's up to individuals. If the man offers, then that's up to him. Obviously it would look bad if the man didn't offer. But if you actually think about it logically, that's completely sexist and unfair.)
Having a strong opinion about something as petty as who should pay is a red flag. You won't get a second date if you are really insistent either way.
Reply 19
Original post by runtime-error
And, if a woman offers to pay, it should be a genuine request and not fake courtesy. The only way to know for sure is to let her pay without fuss. If she shows clear discomfort or decides to not go on a second date with you because of this , then you've dodged a bullet unless that's the kind of woman you desire.


Yep. You say "You're sure?" And she says "yep"
(She's hardly going to say she's changed her mind in the last two seconds) if she then goes home and *****es to her friends that she suffered the indignity of offering to pay for her own food and actually paying, you've dodged a bullet
If she gets all psycho on you for double checking and accuses you of enabling a misogynistic culture that is trying to suppress female pay to make them dependant on males financially, essentially forcing women to use their sexuality to get by, then you've found crazy early on and can GTFO.

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