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i really want to learn more about british politics and how our country is run because i think it’s important that everyone should learn, but i don’t know where to start. when i try researching the amount of information is overwhelming to me. both my parents support labour so i guess i’d really like to learn about them first, their policies ect.

if anyone knows any good websites or youtube videos to help that would be great
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Party-Socia...cialists+in+it
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i really want to learn more about british politics and how our country is run because i think it’s important that everyone should learn, but i don’t know where to start. when i try researching the amount of information is overwhelming to me. both my parents support labour so i guess i’d really like to learn about them first, their policies ect.

if anyone knows any good websites or youtube videos to help that would be great
also i don’t want answers to be biased at all i just want to learn )
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Better idea to read Dune since it is better fiction
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Better idea to read Dune since it is better fiction
Are you saying the labour movement and social democratic parties did not exist?

Fragments on the Machine is some top quality sci-fi though :top:
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inb4 the right wing idiots who will probably direct you to scum like Ben Shapiro. There are plenty of videos on this, but a book would be more reliable. Try to ensure you are subject to the least bias possible.
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Are you saying the labour movement and social democratic parties did not exist?

Fragments on the Machine is some top quality sci-fi though :top:
They did but the world that Marx speaks of and the ideals he holds as correct are pure fiction
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i really want to learn more about british politics and how our country is run because i think it’s important that everyone should learn, but i don’t know where to start. when i try researching the amount of information is overwhelming to me. both my parents support labour so i guess i’d really like to learn about them first, their policies ect.

if anyone knows any good websites or youtube videos to help that would be great
So there’s a good website isidewith.com, which can tell you which political party you most align with, if that’s what you’re after. It’s rather in depth though, but you don’t have to answer every question.

Typically politics is a very tribal business, people tend to side with one political party and often only socialise with only people from that party or parties with similar views. This is why you’ll see a lot of insults thrown around relating to politics and political views. It is also sadly very common for different political sides to misinterpret each other and to see each other as much more agressive and extreme than they really are; this is an unfortunate consequence of the tribalism that is often found in the world of politics.

My advice for someone out to learn would be to be open to a change of mind. Don’t hold any view as insurmountable. Change your views when you discover better ones, and always be searching for opposing viewpoints to consider. Be sceptical as well, don’t take every political statement as true. That is the best way to have an educated view on politics.
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Hmm, I imagine that if you wish to read up how the country is run, https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/
straight to the point on how legislation is brought to the floor and debated.
I’d then suggest try reading around the manifestos of our parties ( major or otherwise) to get a taste of where you lean ( though personally I don’t think the 2017 ones were exactly useful in that regard)
You’ll find different parties addressing current affairs from different angles, with some points you may agree with and some you don’t. It’s important to not just take a party’s word for it though and to read around stuff being discussed because naturally each party will have a skewed view on certain issues that aligns with their ideology.

(On a side note: The Communist Manifesto is not exactly the most accessible to someone getting into politics. Sure I did read it when I actually did believe in socialism being a viable solution - shocker I know given my current political leanings - though it is the foundation for a lot of pursuits intellectually or otherwise in the past century and a bit. I should mention that Labour movements isn’t exclusive to Marx’s thoughts on socialism, Owenite socialists would predate this and push for greater enfranchised long in the decades prior)
I won’t be suggesting any particular YouTubers ( my first flirting with the right were entirely accidental iirc, having stumbled across personalities like PJW when I was moderating out - and had begun to be more nationalist than I had been initially.) though if you search up discussions on certain affairs you’re bound to find different perspectives ( I’ll leave it up to you whether things are actually leaning towards one side or not)
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(Original post by CountBrandenburg)

(On a side note: The Communist Manifesto is not exactly the most accessible to someone getting into politics. Sure I did read it when I actually did believe in socialism being a viable solution - shocker I know given my current political leanings - though it is the foundation for a lot of pursuits intellectually or otherwise in the past century and a bit. I should mention that Labour movements isn’t exclusive to Marx’s thoughts on socialism, Owenite socialists would predate this and push for greater enfranchised long in the decades prior)
How is the communist manifesto hard to read? It's a pamphlet made to be accessible for the rank and file.




If you want a symapthetic critique of Marxism and socialism in general I would recomend Peter Singer's ' A Short Introduction to Marxism' and a 'A Darwinian Left'. THis is more or less where mainstream contemporary left thinking is. Communism failed, and for good reason. It is a pipe dream. But the questions it raised and the problems it pointed out are still relevent.


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They did but the world that Marx speaks of and the ideals he holds as correct are pure fiction
have you actually read it?

a sizable chunk of the demands have actually happened...
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They did but the world that Marx speaks of and the ideals he holds as correct are pure fiction
have you actually read it?

a sizable chunk of the demands have actually happened...
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How is the communist manifesto hard to read? It's a pamphlet made to be accessible for the rank and file.




If you want a symapthetic critique of Marxism and socialism in general I would recomend Peter Singer's ' A Short Introduction to Marxism' and a 'A Darwinian Left'. THis is more or less where mainstream contemporary left thinking is. Communism failed, and for good reason. It is a pipe dream. But the questions it raised and the problems it pointed out are still relevent.




have you actually read it?

a sizable chunk of the demands have actually happened...
Yes I have read it, but marxism or any of its other vile offshoots have never worked and never will.
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If you want to learn about the history of the Labour Party and it's left wing and how it relates to the party as a whole from a leftist point of view it is a good book.
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Yes I have read it, but marxism or any of its other vile offshoots have never worked and never will.
Well a sizeable chunk of its demands have already been met.
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Well a sizeable chunk of its demands have already been met.
Your delusions that anything remotely welfarist is due to Marxist influence is very amusing.
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Your delusions that anything remotely welfarist is due to Marxist influence is very amusing.
Except it was though.

Even if it was just being terrified of the Soviet Union and revolution in your own country,

If you are going to argue the labour movement in Europe had no part to play in getting universal suffrage you are a lost cause to be quite honest.
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Except it was though.

Even if it was just being scared of the Soviet Union.

If you are going to argue the labour movement in Europe had no part to play in getting universal suffrage you are an idiot to be quite honest.
If you think the "labour movement" is identical to Marxism then you're the idiot.
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