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Why is this country so soft on crime?
We let criminals literally get away with murder here. Gangs run the streets and face no prospect of punishment for their crimes, the police simply can't be bothered. This is why there has been such a spike in crime recently. In my opinion we need to look at the Philippines for solutions. Duterte kills anyone suspected of being involved with drugs or crime, as a result there is virtually no crime. You see very little crime and drugs in Saudi Arabia or the middle east either as they have Sharia Law which properly punishes criminals. I think either of the solutions here are good ones to solve this epidemic, we're too weak on crime here which causes people to behave like barbarians. If we took a tougher approach, society could be more respectable and civilised, I'm sure everyone who wasn't a criminal would find life much better.
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People don’t deserve to get killed for dealing with drugs wtf
I don't think the UK is soft on crime, I just think we need more cops.
Sentences are lenient.
How exactly do we let criminals get away with murder? Last time i checked murderering was still illegal and murderers get prosecuted.
'Police can't be bothered' what makes you say that?
You underestimate how hard of a punishment prison time is.
'Police can't be bothered' what makes you say that?
You underestimate how hard of a punishment prison time is.
(edited 5 years ago)
In England, criminal sentences involving imprisonment for the most serious of criminal offences are unduly lenient.
Here are two examples.
4 months in jail for stabbing a police officer with a 10 inch hunting knife in a public place, repeatedly stabbing and almost killing the officer's canine partner.
9 months in jail for a registered child sex offender convicted of Grievous Bodily Harm that left the victim in a coma and caused permanent brain damage.
The victim with brain damage was my uncle, the paedophile pleaded not guilty and was allowed bail during the trial until being arrested for possession of child pornography.
Within weeks of being released from prison for the GBH the paedophile was arrested again- this time for having 100,000 of the most vile paedophile videos and images of very young children of both genders being sexually abused.
This year, London has seen over 80 murders, with 51 of these fatal stabbings.
Never mind the deterrent affect, the punishment needs to fit the crime- long sentences for burglars, sexual and violent offenders, with the longest possible imprisonment terms for those repeat offenders with multiple convictions of that sort.
I'm not a lawyer but the legal sentences need to be re-calibrated in favour of protecting society and punishing those who commit the most serious of crimes.
Very long sentences in prison, possibly lifelong sentences that really mean life for the most heinous of criminals and those with multiple sexual or violent convictions.
Not the death penalty.
Small wonder that the sister of a murdered mother of two children remarked at the end of the trial that "Britain is too nice to evil men".
Her sister had been raped, tortured for hours and then burned alive by two convicted killers who had met in prison years earlier.
The murderers were Stephen Unwin and William McFall- both already had 1990's convictions for brutally murdering pensioners in their own homes.
The killer's were also career criminals whose past convictions included: murder, robbery, arson, burglary, illegal possession of firearms and knives.
The poor victim was a hard working 28 year old woman from Vietnam who had come to this country in search of a better life for her children.
In her victim impact statement, the victims sister spoke of how she was unable to tell her elderly parents anything of her sister's final horrifying hours of life and how the pair of murderers had stolen not only an innocent young woman's life but destroyed "everything" her family ever dreamed of.
Here are two examples.
4 months in jail for stabbing a police officer with a 10 inch hunting knife in a public place, repeatedly stabbing and almost killing the officer's canine partner.
9 months in jail for a registered child sex offender convicted of Grievous Bodily Harm that left the victim in a coma and caused permanent brain damage.
The victim with brain damage was my uncle, the paedophile pleaded not guilty and was allowed bail during the trial until being arrested for possession of child pornography.
Within weeks of being released from prison for the GBH the paedophile was arrested again- this time for having 100,000 of the most vile paedophile videos and images of very young children of both genders being sexually abused.
This year, London has seen over 80 murders, with 51 of these fatal stabbings.
Never mind the deterrent affect, the punishment needs to fit the crime- long sentences for burglars, sexual and violent offenders, with the longest possible imprisonment terms for those repeat offenders with multiple convictions of that sort.
I'm not a lawyer but the legal sentences need to be re-calibrated in favour of protecting society and punishing those who commit the most serious of crimes.
Very long sentences in prison, possibly lifelong sentences that really mean life for the most heinous of criminals and those with multiple sexual or violent convictions.
Not the death penalty.
Small wonder that the sister of a murdered mother of two children remarked at the end of the trial that "Britain is too nice to evil men".
Her sister had been raped, tortured for hours and then burned alive by two convicted killers who had met in prison years earlier.
The murderers were Stephen Unwin and William McFall- both already had 1990's convictions for brutally murdering pensioners in their own homes.
The killer's were also career criminals whose past convictions included: murder, robbery, arson, burglary, illegal possession of firearms and knives.
The poor victim was a hard working 28 year old woman from Vietnam who had come to this country in search of a better life for her children.
In her victim impact statement, the victims sister spoke of how she was unable to tell her elderly parents anything of her sister's final horrifying hours of life and how the pair of murderers had stolen not only an innocent young woman's life but destroyed "everything" her family ever dreamed of.
Original post by GlockInmyRari
How exactly do we let criminals get away with murder? Last time i checked murderering was still illegal and murderers get prosecuted.
'Police can't be bothered' what makes you say that?
You underestimate how hard of a punishment prison time is.
'Police can't be bothered' what makes you say that?
You underestimate how hard of a punishment prison time is.
Original post by londonmyst
In England, criminal sentences involving imprisonment for the most serious of criminal offences are unduly lenient.
Here are two examples.
4 months in jail for stabbing a police officer with a 10 inch hunting knife in a public place, repeatedly stabbing and almost killing the officer's canine partner.
9 months in jail for a registered child sex offender convicted of Grievous Bodily Harm that left the victim in a coma and caused permanent brain damage.
The victim with brain damage was my uncle, the paedophile pleaded not guilty and was allowed bail during the trial until being arrested for possession of child pornography.
Within weeks of being released from prison for the GBH the paedophile was arrested again- this time for having 100,000 of the most vile paedophile videos and images of very young children of both genders being sexually abused.
Here are two examples.
4 months in jail for stabbing a police officer with a 10 inch hunting knife in a public place, repeatedly stabbing and almost killing the officer's canine partner.
9 months in jail for a registered child sex offender convicted of Grievous Bodily Harm that left the victim in a coma and caused permanent brain damage.
The victim with brain damage was my uncle, the paedophile pleaded not guilty and was allowed bail during the trial until being arrested for possession of child pornography.
Within weeks of being released from prison for the GBH the paedophile was arrested again- this time for having 100,000 of the most vile paedophile videos and images of very young children of both genders being sexually abused.
Do you want to tell us the facts you have chosen to omit in your uncle’s case?
The perpetrator in the assault on the police dog handler and dog didn’t go to prison at all because he was far too young, but you decided not to mention that. He would have been the subject of a Detention and Training Order.
Are you referring to Khan's London? Also, what's up with your DP?
Original post by intelligent con
We let criminals literally get away with murder here. Gangs run the streets and face no prospect of punishment for their crimes, the police simply can't be bothered. This is why there has been such a spike in crime recently. In my opinion we need to look at the Philippines for solutions. Duterte kills anyone suspected of being involved with drugs or crime, as a result there is virtually no crime. You see very little crime and drugs in Saudi Arabia or the middle east either as they have Sharia Law which properly punishes criminals. I think either of the solutions here are good ones to solve this epidemic, we're too weak on crime here which causes people to behave like barbarians. If we took a tougher approach, society could be more respectable and civilised, I'm sure everyone who wasn't a criminal would find life much better.
Its the Conservatives they don't care
The problem isn’t the fact that Britain is too tough on crime. The problem is the fact that the Tories keep doing cuts to the police and emergency services. With the current budget the police is on, it is hard to catch every lunatic running about on the streets.
Original post by Constantine2018
The problem isn’t the fact that Britain is too tough on crime. The problem is the fact that the Tories keep doing cuts to the police and emergency services. With the current budget the police is on, it is hard to catch every lunatic running about on the streets.
I actually think Labour's soft-touch policing does play a role. I notice that crime has gone up far more sharply under Khan's London than it was under Boris despite austerity being an issue for many years.
Also police funding actually increased by 450 million under the Tories last year so there's a lot of fake news running around. I blame Labour and the left-wing media fully for this.
http://fullfact.org/crime/police-funding-england-and-wales/
We're too soft on crime lol? In the UK you can get arrested for using words, yes vibrating your voice box in a certain way can get you arrested. Also look at the case of Mark Meechan who taught his girlfriends pug to nazi salutes - he was put on trial and was initially going to serve prison time. The UK's problem is not how 'soft' or 'hard' it is on crime but rather how politically correct it has become.
Original post by renegradeisland
I actually think Labour's soft-touch policing does play a role. I notice that crime has gone up far more sharply under Khan's London than it was under Boris despite austerity being an issue for many years.
Also police funding actually increased by 450 million under the Tories last year so there's a lot of fake news running around. I blame Labour and the left-wing media fully for this.
http://fullfact.org/crime/police-funding-england-and-wales/
Also police funding actually increased by 450 million under the Tories last year so there's a lot of fake news running around. I blame Labour and the left-wing media fully for this.
http://fullfact.org/crime/police-funding-england-and-wales/
Political parties do not control how the police operate or what sentence the judge decides to imposed. The judicial system is independent and separate from the government.
London has 33 boroughs and the crime rate varies from each one. For example, in the borough I live in, the crime rate has sharply dropped and the police managed to close down a massive drug ring that was happening outside the station. My constituency also happens to be a Labour safe seat. In contrast, other boroughs like Croydon have the same crime rate.
Boroughs like Croydon and Tower Hamlets are some of the poorest boroughs in London. Whenever I walk through these boroughs, I see so many homeless people. That is why crime is so high because there is so much poverty.
The 450 million pounds in police funding was revealed to be another Tory spun lie. The 450 million pounds includes the money from council tax if local authorities decide to raise council tax, which they probably will as that is the only way the police can get the resources it needs.
So not only are London’s police being severely underfunded, Londoners are also having to pay a higher amount of council tax as well, increasing rental prices.
Sadiq Khan has actually done a lot of good policies to help the poor. His Hopper Fare policy has been really useful for me as I use buses a lot and I now save so much money on travel with this new fare.
All the ideas Boris promised but never actually put into place, Khan has done like the 24 hour train services on Friday night.
I'm referring to actual English criminal sentencing decisions- not venue of incarceration upon conviction or actual time served in jail.
My concern is that the most predatory offenders are receiving minuscule jail sentences.
My focus is on the sentencing decisions not where the offender is placed to serve that sentence.
My position is the same irrespective of whether incarceration venue is a young offender institution or adult prison.
Slight variation as regards mentally ill offenders detained in a psychiatric hospital or other secure facility - society must be protected from dangerous offenders but mental illness does not deserve punishment.
I am not a lawyer, police officer, prison officer or probation service worker.
I don't have to spend every working day protecting society from the most vile and evil criminal elements- which also constitute a significant risk to the personal safety of all the law enforcement and prison personnel doing their best to keep everyone safe.
Nor do I have a job that requires going to court to represent the interests of the most heinous criminals ever to menace the streets of this country- unlike my mother and half her social circle.
The facts revealed by the criminal case of the paedophile whose violence brain damaged my uncle are very unpleasant.
My uncle is now deceased, the paedophile is very much alive and will spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.
My uncle was attacked assisting a young girl in school uniform who was screaming for help. The paedophile had set upon her on the high street in broad daylight. My uncle's friends scarpered, my uncle went to help.
When my uncle got the paedophile away from the girl, the paedophile turned on him- punching, biting and kicking him in the head even when my uncle was unconscious on the ground.
An NHS nurse gave my uncle CPR on the street, called the ambulance and testified at the trial.
My uncle's health, independence and almost every aspect of his life was absolutely decimated by that paedophile.
I was at the trial and I also saw my uncle's life crumble- my uncle's final years were of unbearable pain, constant medical operations and a very long list of constantly changing medications.
I'm female and hope that the paedophile is living on a street where the details of his criminal past are known to all.
It would be a terrifying prospect if he had any vulnerable neighbours or access to young children.
My concern is that the most predatory offenders are receiving minuscule jail sentences.
My focus is on the sentencing decisions not where the offender is placed to serve that sentence.
My position is the same irrespective of whether incarceration venue is a young offender institution or adult prison.
Slight variation as regards mentally ill offenders detained in a psychiatric hospital or other secure facility - society must be protected from dangerous offenders but mental illness does not deserve punishment.
I am not a lawyer, police officer, prison officer or probation service worker.
I don't have to spend every working day protecting society from the most vile and evil criminal elements- which also constitute a significant risk to the personal safety of all the law enforcement and prison personnel doing their best to keep everyone safe.
Nor do I have a job that requires going to court to represent the interests of the most heinous criminals ever to menace the streets of this country- unlike my mother and half her social circle.
The facts revealed by the criminal case of the paedophile whose violence brain damaged my uncle are very unpleasant.
My uncle is now deceased, the paedophile is very much alive and will spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.
My uncle was attacked assisting a young girl in school uniform who was screaming for help. The paedophile had set upon her on the high street in broad daylight. My uncle's friends scarpered, my uncle went to help.
When my uncle got the paedophile away from the girl, the paedophile turned on him- punching, biting and kicking him in the head even when my uncle was unconscious on the ground.
An NHS nurse gave my uncle CPR on the street, called the ambulance and testified at the trial.
My uncle's health, independence and almost every aspect of his life was absolutely decimated by that paedophile.
I was at the trial and I also saw my uncle's life crumble- my uncle's final years were of unbearable pain, constant medical operations and a very long list of constantly changing medications.
I'm female and hope that the paedophile is living on a street where the details of his criminal past are known to all.
It would be a terrifying prospect if he had any vulnerable neighbours or access to young children.
Original post by nulli tertius
Do you want to tell us the facts you have chosen to omit in your uncle’s case?
The perpetrator in the assault on the police dog handler and dog didn’t go to prison at all because he was far too young, but you decided not to mention that. He would have been the subject of a Detention and Training Order.
The perpetrator in the assault on the police dog handler and dog didn’t go to prison at all because he was far too young, but you decided not to mention that. He would have been the subject of a Detention and Training Order.
Original post by intelligent con
We let criminals literally get away with murder here. Gangs run the streets and face no prospect of punishment for their crimes, the police simply can't be bothered. This is why there has been such a spike in crime recently. In my opinion we need to look at the Philippines for solutions. Duterte kills anyone suspected of being involved with drugs or crime, as a result there is virtually no crime. You see very little crime and drugs in Saudi Arabia or the middle east either as they have Sharia Law which properly punishes criminals. I think either of the solutions here are good ones to solve this epidemic, we're too weak on crime here which causes people to behave like barbarians. If we took a tougher approach, society could be more respectable and civilised, I'm sure everyone who wasn't a criminal would find life much better.
Check out Scandinavian countries approach to crime. They are very "soft" according to you, but have the lowest rates of recidivism in the world. We have 60%. America, which is "harsher" on crime, slightly higher, 67ish depending on sources. Either way it is obvious that our approach to criminals don't work. Look at Norway's prisons models and success rates and then maybe open your mind to the idea that killing off people isn't the brightest choice.
Original post by Pantera Fan Club
I don't think the UK is soft on crime, I just think we need more cops.
Murder is definitely lenient.
Original post by londonmyst
The facts revealed by the criminal case of the paedophile whose violence brain damaged my uncle are very unpleasant.
My uncle is now deceased, the paedophile is very much alive and will spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.
My uncle was attacked assisting a young girl in school uniform who was screaming for help. The paedophile had set upon her on the high street in broad daylight. My uncle's friends scarpered, my uncle went to help.
When my uncle got the paedophile away from the girl, the paedophile turned on him- punching, biting and kicking him in the head even when my uncle was unconscious on the ground.
An NHS nurse gave my uncle CPR on the street, called the ambulance and testified at the trial.
My uncle's health, independence and almost every aspect of his life was absolutely decimated by that paedophile.
I was at the trial and I also saw my uncle's life crumble- my uncle's final years were of unbearable pain, constant medical operations and a very long list of constantly changing medications.
The facts revealed by the criminal case of the paedophile whose violence brain damaged my uncle are very unpleasant.
My uncle is now deceased, the paedophile is very much alive and will spend the rest of his life as a registered sex offender.
My uncle was attacked assisting a young girl in school uniform who was screaming for help. The paedophile had set upon her on the high street in broad daylight. My uncle's friends scarpered, my uncle went to help.
When my uncle got the paedophile away from the girl, the paedophile turned on him- punching, biting and kicking him in the head even when my uncle was unconscious on the ground.
An NHS nurse gave my uncle CPR on the street, called the ambulance and testified at the trial.
My uncle's health, independence and almost every aspect of his life was absolutely decimated by that paedophile.
I was at the trial and I also saw my uncle's life crumble- my uncle's final years were of unbearable pain, constant medical operations and a very long list of constantly changing medications.
Why was it charged as section 20; on the facts as you state them. it looks an obvious section 18.
The sentencing guidelines from 2011 onwards would have given a sentencing range on a not guilty plea of 30 months to 4 years with a maximum discount of 1/3 for a guilty plea. So why did it become 9 months.
How long dd he did get for the attempted rape/abduction of the girl?
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