“Not ALL men” argument

How about feminists like you hold yourself to some standards and use facts and numbers instead? Isnt that an easier way for you to argue as you dont open yourself up to making fallacies such as generalising?

Im more than happy to discuss the very real issue of sexual harassment that women face, but the rhetoric feminists have set is using pejoratives and vilifying men. If you seriously want to raise awareness and take steps to improve the situation, stop attacking men all the time (as this post does) and start having productive conversations. Because by attacking men all the time, all it tells us is people like you just want to be victims.

Its the exact reason why most women arent feminists.

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TheEremor

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Aye. I don’t think anyone would deny that it’s a predominantly male crime, but some (again not all) men might feel as if they’re all being tarred with the same brush. Personally I don’t think many sane women believe this.

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username4169146

I don't actually understand what's being said..anyone care to explain?

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username1207499

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Same reason people say ‘not all muslims’ whenever any policy attempts to combat terrorism by looking at the group most predisposed to it

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Joleee

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because people lack empathy and because it's the easy argument. they think by saying 'there are exceptions' somehow lessens the problem. also, for some reason, everyone wants to argue that they have it worse, that they are the real victims. i don't know why it's a competition all the time.

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Heirio

It's a response to the "men are pigs" statements made.

If someone makes a blanket insult towards an entire demographic of which you are a part, would you not want to defend yourself? Would you go "yh I am a pig"?

Plus, as D3LLI5 said, it's the for the same reason that people say "not all muslims" after a muslim commits a terrorist act.

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Original post by Joleee

because people lack empathy and because it's the easy argument. they think by saying 'there are exceptions' somehow lessens the problem. also, for some reason, everyone wants to argue that they have it worse, that they are the real victims. i don't know why it's a competition all the time.

I'm sorry you feel like a victim.

Reply 10

Heirio

As a response to the "what about the women that rape men?", it's pretty callous to say that in response to hearing of another rape case.
If the "not all men" is simply a response to hearing of a rape case, then that is also callous. It would be acting defensive, as if attacked, when no statement was made towards you. "Not all men" is really only a valid statement if someone says "Men are pigs", or something similar.

Though it should be noted that "What about the women that rape men?" is a pretty important talking point on its own, because in the UK a woman cannot legally rape a man unless she penetrates him with something.

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Trust Orang

Because attributing qualities to people solely upon the gender they belong to can never be anything more than an insult. It is also an ethical bottleneck. The assertion that group(s) of people are inherently bad, due to immutable characteristics that are not capable of divining the value of an individual, is not thinking that can develop a solution. Why does this bad thing happen - "because some types of people are bad and they do it". This line of reason is really obviously stupid and circular.

The proper response to - "people like you do this, because you and people like you are bad in an essential manner" is "No u, and f*ck off".

It is an assertion that makes impossible the task of designing an ethical solution around, and distracts from the slow and difficult investigation that could produce an actionable plan. If you think that the answer to the "original sin" of the human condition is as easy as blaming a "bad" group of people, you're not being sensible.

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Waldorf67

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Original post by pablo442

How about feminists like you hold yourself to some standards and use facts and numbers instead? Isnt that an easier way for you to argue as you dont open yourself up to making fallacies such as generalising?

Im more than happy to discuss the very real issue of sexual harassment that women face, but the rhetoric feminists have set is using pejoratives and vilifying men. If you seriously want to raise awareness and take steps to improve the situation, stop attacking men all the time (as this post does) and start having productive conversations. Because by attacking men all the time, all it tells us is people like you just want to be victims.

Its the exact reason why most women arent feminists.

Most women agree with feminist principles, there is just a misunderstanding behind what “feminism” means, so don’t talk such rubbish.

I agree that whenever one social issue (certainly regarding sexism) is discussed, you always hear the “what about X and Y” argument. It’s not a competition, people are allowed to care about more than one social issue.

What figures do you want backed up?

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awkwardshortguy

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Original post by Joleee

because people lack empathy and because it's the easy argument. they think by saying 'there are exceptions' somehow lessens the problem. also, for some reason, everyone wants to argue that they have it worse, that they are the real victims. i don't know why it's a competition all the time.

Men who rape are the exception, though.

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yudothis

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Original post by Hateocracy

it is when women say all men are evil because of a few rapists as the basis of their argument

Not even remotely true.

Anyway, the only men that cry "not all men" are the ones that know it's them that it is addressed at.

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Original post by Waldorf67

Most women agree with feminist principles, there is just a misunderstanding behind what “feminism” means, so don’t talk such rubbish.

I agree that whenever one social issue (certainly regarding sexism) is discussed, you always hear the “what about X and Y” argument. It’s not a competition, people are allowed to care about more than one social issue.

What figures do you want backed up?

Most women aren't involved in the sort of self victimising feminism that constantly attacks men.

Im not sure what your point is here. You've really ignored my post.

Use some facts and figures about sexual assault and harassment. That way you can avoid making sweeping generalisations.

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Heirio

Original post by yudothis

Anyway, the only men that cry "not all men" are the ones that know it's them that it is addressed at.

That is, and this is the most direct way I can put this, *******s.

If a muslim commits a terrorist attack and another says "not all muslims do this", are you saying that the second muslim is a terrorist, merely for pointing out that not all muslims are evil?

Because in order to be logically consistent, that is what you are saying.

(edited 5 years ago)

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