Gender pay gap

So-called affirmative action is an abomination.

You have completely lost the plot. I never made that claim.

I argued the point that, if women choose to follow men’s approach of not providing adequate child support for their offspring, there could be an issue with the child, given that no proper alternative support is provided. Childcare is expensive and we assume that everyone, who chooses to not support their child, has the means to provide alternative support. That has been the point.

The other poster accused me of trying to force my SJW view on others and attempting to dictate how partners choose to raise their offspring. I disagreed with the wild accusation and stated that, if women try to reduce their maternity leave in a bid to return to work in order to avoid being a victim of gender pay disparity, then there may be a gradual issue that we may face.

The major argument on this thread is two-fold, i think:

1. That pay gap does not exist.
2. That pay gap exists but it is the fault of women for leaving the work environment to have babies.

I disagreed with the first point and stated that the second point has been down to historical discrimination that expected women to have and take care of babies whilst the men worked. This still exists today, where men are allowed just 2 weeks of paid paternity leave while women are allowed up to 9 months.

So my solution was to offer a shared parental leave that will ensure men can contribute to the home and also allow women to return earlier to work and compete properly in the professional ladder.

Besides, this is going to be a future issue and not a past one.

Fantastic, that means in no ones house this could possibly be happening.

It has to occur until the system is fairer.

I am sorry, before I got to discuss the main argument of the thread, I had to make sure we ironed out any assumptions, one of which being the effect and likelihood of your "hypothetical situation", of course neither you or me know what may happen but since you daringly used an assumption to support your MAIN view I had to discuss it further.

Now, I believe your exacts words were "I am talking about situations where the men refuse to get actively involved and the women also refuse, thereby pushing the children to third party providers or abandon them completely." Your point was that both adults "refuse" care for a child, right? You then used the "gender pay desparity" and its disadavantages towards careera progressiona reason for this. You took a fictional concept (gender pay gap) to try and make a hypothetical situation (child abandonment) only to then bring up simply incorrect consequences (NHS?) So please tell me, how exactly I missed the plot in what you were trying to say?

No matter how you slice it, women are biologically more suited to caring for a child i.e. breastfeeding, changing in frequency detection to hear baby crying so it is entirely understandable why their allowed leave is longer thant that of a male.

Your solution already exists, England, Wales and Scotland employees are eligible for SPL and ShPP. This allocates 12 weeks for maternity leave and 40 weeks for shared parental leave. So women can go to work earlier and men can also get involved much more if they wanted to. I am assuming we are talking about the UK here, but I am sure similar systems exist internationally.

Look who's assuming now. Of course, yet again you have not backed up your claim with any evidence.

Absolutely not! It is unfair and damaging in itself and you have not yet even made the case that change is needed.

Yet, you refuse to acknowledge it.

On the contrary, I acknowledge it and have explained the major factor. You must be confusing me with someone else.

Well, I presume it must be happening in yours since you are so worried about it. I suggest you stop it now.

Now, I understand where you are coming from. You think the gender pay gap is a myth.

If you acknowledge that there is a problem, then why don't you see that a change is needed?

bye bye now.

I will make my view clear, the gender pay gap you referred is confused with pay discrimination, which is why I referred to it that way. The gender pay gap does exist, but wages are allocated equitably. in most cases.

I don't see trying to force families to live a different way to what they want, as you seem intent on doing, is a sensible approach. Neither is saddling business with social engineering.