May: No Brexit

what?

what would you suggest?

I always thought that the cleverest thing a pro-EU PM, tasked with delivering Brexit, could do is frustrate the negotiation process and deliver a soft Brexit; revealing this at the last minute. The Brexiteers then have two options -- to accept a very closely allied union post-Brexit or go the no deal route.

If it overturns, I'm out of this country.

I find it delightful that the youth of today find democracy and majority vote to be a silly idea that should be dismissed if you don't like the result.

Makes it much easier to set up a dictatorship a la Chine.

May's plan was actually slightly cleverer than that: it was to let the Brexiters themselves frustrate the negotiation process - let Davis either accept reality to get somewhere with Barnier, or refuse to do so and spin his wheels and get nowhere (at it turns out, he mostly chose the latter). The problem that she didn't forsee (or did, but didn't think anything could be done about it except ignore it and hope for the best) was that she would end up being the scapegoat for their failure.

With regard to Davis and Raab (and to a lesser extent Boris Johnson as well), there are only two possible conclusions to be drawn. Either:
i) This deal is largely the one they negotiated, and which they are now trying to distance themselves from, or;
ii) They were such incompetent negotiatiors that they failed to achieve anything, thus forcing May to do the legwork to get a deal.

Personally I suspect it's ii) for Davis and i) for Raab, but the point remains the same. They're blaming May for their own failure to deliver anything better.

You mean Gove? He is a slimy chameleon like May.

Np... if it is overturned you will be free to travel anywhere within the EU. Good riddance to those who sit there cackling at the countdown to chaos for the UK.

It isn't about not liking the result... just the consequences. God...

If Brexit in any form is still what the majority want, then that's what should happen, as unfortunate as that outcome would likely be.

May's plan was actually slightly cleverer than that: it was to let the Brexiters themselves frustrate the negotiation process - let Davis either accept reality to get somewhere with Barnier, or refuse to do so and spin his wheels and get nowhere (at it turns out, he mostly chose the latter). The problem that she didn't forsee (or did, but didn't think anything could be done about it except ignore it and hope for the best) was that she would end up being the scapegoat for their failure.

With regard to Davis and Raab (and to a lesser extent Boris Johnson as well), there are only two possible conclusions to be drawn. Either:
i) This deal is largely the one they negotiated, and which they are now trying to distance themselves from, or;
ii) They were such incompetent negotiatiors that they failed to achieve anything, thus forcing May to do the legwork to get a deal.

Personally I suspect it's ii) for Davis and i) for Raab, but the point remains the same. They're blaming May for their own failure to deliver anything better.

Raab resigning over a deal he himself had supposedly secured was all kinds of funny. He learned a lot in this process. Namely that the UK is an island off the coast of mainland Europe.

It's been so great that he could use the national crisis to improve his education to Key Stage 3. He has now learned not only that we have ports, but apparently Dover is important!

You have never known what the consequences would be, you have all just been brainwashed into believing that project fear is a reality, uncertainty has been the issue with which we have had to contend, caused mainly by parliaments dislike of leaving, and once a deal is struck on trade things will smooth themselves out.
We saw the value of the pound rise on the news that there was a deal the other day, image that politicians had got fully behind the idea of brexit, the deal could've been so much better if the EU side knew this, instead we got a pile of crap precisely because EU negotiators knew they could take the p**" and would be backed up by our elected representatives.
As I have said in a couple of other threads, this will not be forgotten and there will be a backlash come the next General Election.

Only we all know his role in negotiations was minimal, it was Ollie Robins and May herself who have tied us up in knots.

Or, to put it more realisically, they left it in the hands of an expert and not some vain flibbertygibbet peacock politician. Or a lazy ne'er do well like David Davies.