Have your say: Women gain higher earnings boosts after studying at university

You can apply for various positions or training schemes that are engineering related (the most common and well known of which is probably an apprenticeship), and then work your way into an engineering position.

Ahh the age old I have a friend of a friend whose niece is a plumber argument.

That’s completely irrelevant, we can all pick out anecdotal evidence to support any argument.
Joe Bloggs smoked 40 a day and lived to 90, therefore smoking does not relate to premature deaths.

If you don’t believe that the social environment in any way impacts behaviour and development then I highly recommend you order yourself a copy of Psychology for Idiots. Because that isn’t even up for debate.

You’re arguing against decades upon decades of evidence. You’re even arguing against basic common sense, that humans are influenced by their social environment.

1. Do you know what a HNC or HND qualification is?
2. Did you not read the apprenticeship for GE’s Aviation?
3. Since when did I say that there are more engineers from apprenticeships than degrees? Please state where I said that?
4. Did you not see my post saying that they may not be accredited engineers but work within the engineering field and earn a decent wage?

Stop wasting my time with your silly defensive reaction about engineering. I can hazard a guess that you are an engineering student who doesn’t like the thought of being undercut by this working class riff raff.

Absolutely. And I’d be willing to bet that people taking that route make up some of the 5% of “high academic attainment, a STEM A level and no degree” men who are mentioned in the report as having an average salary of £40k at age 29.

But it’s still a non standard path. Even the report urges caution against using that minority to draw conclusions due to the anomalous data.

You are simply clueless.
It’s funny because it shows how detached you must be from the working class population. I know so many men who did engineering apprenticeships and there’s you acting as if it’s the craziest idea in the world

#Clueless

1. Do you? Having sat on a course validation board for HNCs and HNDs I have a pretty good understanding of them thanks.
2. No. I’m on a phone and the link didn’t open. One vacancy advert is just that.
3. When you said “Men are more likely to enter into higher earning jobs that do not require a degree. For example engineering” your implication is that engineering is a non graduate job (like your other examples of electrician and builder). I’m guessing that you see that and that’s why you have now edited your post.
4. So you aren’t talking about engineering jobs - you’re talking about technician and related jobs.

Instead of getting defensive, patronising me ( “hunny” ), implying that I’m over defensive based on my own degree (not true - I didn’t study engineering and I don’t work in engineering), wasting my time and editing your posts....Maybe just admit that your example of a well paid non grad job wasn’t very good.

Anecdote <> data

Why resort to insults based on your assumptions about my socioeconomic background?

Better to have an anecdote than a statistic plucked purely from your own biases

“make up some of the 5% of “high academic attainment, a STEM A level and no degree”.

You’ve completely failed to show me that engineering apprenticeships don’t exist? At most you’ve admitted that they do exist but aren’t as high in number as engineering degrees.

Do you see that? Give up cherub.

Absolutely. And I’d be willing to bet that people taking that route make up some of the 5% of “high academic attainment, a STEM A level and no degree” men who are mentioned in the report as having an average salary of £40k at age 29.

But it’s still a non standard path. Even the report urges caution against using that minority to draw conclusions due to the anomalous data.

It’s in the report referenced in the OP. As I stated when I mentioned that stat. Do you want a page number? If so you’ll need to wait until I’m on a pc and not my phone. Or are you just wasting my time again by shifting your argument again to pick a fight instead of just answering a simple question.

Engineering UK have stats on the number of people completing engineering apprenticeships v degrees.

“You could easily hit Google and look up engineering” Statistics. “But instead choose to stay ignorant, for whatever sad reason you must have.”

(Oh and your posts SHOW that they were edited and when so I don’t know why you’re denying it?)

That is irrelevant. Many men lack confidence too. Ultimately it is for the people involved to decide if they want to pursue a given occupation.

The 5% stat? Yeah show me the page number.

Which post are you even talking about? I’m not denying I edited my posts but I certainly did not do it to “change my argument”. I likely just edited it to word myself better. In fact if you are talking about my very first post I edited that before I even received your response.

And either way my edit makes no alteration to my argument...

Quips aside I am honestly so confused as to why you’re denying the existence of engineering apprenticeships while simultaneously stating that they exist? I honestly do not understand this at all.

And more women lack confidence than men, that's the point

You appear to be heading towards a position where everyone should be paid the same for all jobs to ensure a level playing field for those without confidence, good personal skills, good self-organisation, need to care for children, you name it.

I've seen young women pinned to the ground by creepy older men, never mind just casual sexism.

I trust you reported it to the police. Nothing less is acceptable. That is not sexism; that is assault and abuse.

It's the exteme end of the nature of being a woman in the workforce..

But capitalism deems these jobs less worthy of numeration[sic]. So women, by fact of being women, are being paid less for being women...or being a women makes one more suited to the lower paying (but just as socially criticle[sic]).