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I don't think it is fair that us Scots voted to remain yet we are still being forced out of the EU so sometimes I do think we should become independent yes. I at least think we should have that second independence referendum and give people a chance to have a say (I couldn't vote in the last one as was only about 12).
Original post by independentx
I don't think it is fair that us Scots voted to remain yet we are still being forced out of the EU so sometimes I do think we should become independent yes. I at least think we should have that second independence referendum and give people a chance to have a say (I couldn't vote in the last one as was only about 12).
I'm 15 and through my entire life I've wanted Scottish independence... even through the the Brexit thing I was up for leaving the EU. I've had enough with the constant globalization of the world and desperately want Scotland out. Btw how old are u?
Original post by ScullywagonThree
I'm 15 and through my entire life I've wanted Scottish independence... even through the the Brexit thing I was up for leaving the EU. I've had enough with the constant globalization of the world and desperately want Scotland out. Btw how old are u?
I don't want to leave the EU, but would happily leave the UK at the moment the way things are going (I'm an SNP supporter). And I'm 16
Original post by independentx
I don't want to leave the EU, but would happily leave the UK at the moment the way things are going (I'm an SNP supporter). And I'm 16
Why word you want to leave the UK but not the UK
I’m Scottish but living in England, but I do believe that Scotland will be better off as an independent country than be part of the UK and that they can be part of the EU. Even though Scotland is part of the U.K., the Scottish people and the country are never treated as they part of the UK. I know that that they have the SNP and have their own NHS and also their own education system, but Scotland were and are never treated as fair as Wales, Northern Ireland and obviously England. They’re always mistreated and are often left out
Original post by Nadia19962
I’m Scottish but living in England, but I do believe that Scotland will be better off as an independent country than be part of the UK and that they can be part of the EU. Even though Scotland is part of the U.K., the Scottish people and the country are never treated as they part of the UK. I know that that they have the SNP and have their own NHS and also their own education system, but Scotland were and are never treated as fair as Wales, Northern Ireland and obviously England. They’re always mistreated and are often left out
tbh Scotland has chosen to be left out. But yeah, I think it's Scotland's patriotism that many other countries in the UK lack is what keeps us separated. English people don't look all g to Scotland tho and really look down on us (ironic since we're above them on a map)
Are we talking financially independent too? The sooner the better, they are on their way to good old-fashioned socialist bankruptcy and no wonder the SNP insist on being underwritten by the rest of the UK. On their bikes, that's my opinion.
Original post by independentx
I don't think it is fair that us Scots voted to remain yet we are still being forced out of the EU so sometimes I do think we should become independent yes. I at least think we should have that second independence referendum and give people a chance to have a say (I couldn't vote in the last one as was only about 12).
I don’t get that logic. It was a U.K wide vote. Madienhead voted to remain? Does that mean they should stay in the EU.
DISCLAIMER
I'm playing devil's advocate here just to see how this thread plays Out 😂
The real question is could Scotland function as an independent nation with the same level it does now ?
Economic growth for Scotland remains high and it considerably outpaced England--however David Phillips, an economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies thinktank, said: “This year’s figures continue to paint a relatively weak fiscal picture that is likely to persist unless there is a strong rebound in oil revenues" and Scotland’s deficit was equivalent to 7.9% of GDP, while for the UK as a whole it was 1.9%. Is it therefore economically viable in the long term for an independent Scotland, given the volatility of oil prices and the current shift towards a green economy? A BBC Report with economist Andrew Wilson noted that an independent Scotland would likely operate at a deficit for 10 years unless a radical plan was adopted to improve growth further such as an incentivised immigration scheme.
Other aspects for independence must also be considered:
Would Scotland still be a part of NATO? It is doubtful that an independent Scotland could muster a meaningful Military force on 2% of its independent GDP- given the army of the UK is being hollowed out as we speak. Scotland could form a mutual defence agreement with the UK, but military wise it would suffer severely from independence. Given Russia's numerous forays into the North Sea airspace this year, would Scotland alone be able to deter them?
Would Scotland's health service survive?
The Scottish NHS will receive a £2bn funding boost by 2023 under the Barnet Formula
Scottish Secretary David Mundell said: "In the NHS's 70th year, I urge the Scottish government to invest this extra money in improving health services in Scotland.
"Our NHS is hugely valued by people in Scotland, but we have seen services under severe strain in recent years.
"This additional UK government investment in Scotland has the potential to make a real difference for people in Scotland."
Could Scotland handle the strain of a high cost health service independently without introducing unfavourable taxes or cutting services?
Can Scotland's universities continue to thrive when they are looking at an annual shortfall of between £202m and £155m if they do not receive the income provided by Barnet Formula Taxes?
Would Scotland still have such influence on global politics without its membership of the UK?Scotland’s interests are represented at the UN through Britain as one of only five permanent members of the UN Security Council.Scotland Would not be a member of G8 or G20 and could lose its opportunity to influence global decisions through Britain.
I'm playing devil's advocate here just to see how this thread plays Out 😂
The real question is could Scotland function as an independent nation with the same level it does now ?
Economic growth for Scotland remains high and it considerably outpaced England--however David Phillips, an economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies thinktank, said: “This year’s figures continue to paint a relatively weak fiscal picture that is likely to persist unless there is a strong rebound in oil revenues" and Scotland’s deficit was equivalent to 7.9% of GDP, while for the UK as a whole it was 1.9%. Is it therefore economically viable in the long term for an independent Scotland, given the volatility of oil prices and the current shift towards a green economy? A BBC Report with economist Andrew Wilson noted that an independent Scotland would likely operate at a deficit for 10 years unless a radical plan was adopted to improve growth further such as an incentivised immigration scheme.
Other aspects for independence must also be considered:
Would Scotland still be a part of NATO? It is doubtful that an independent Scotland could muster a meaningful Military force on 2% of its independent GDP- given the army of the UK is being hollowed out as we speak. Scotland could form a mutual defence agreement with the UK, but military wise it would suffer severely from independence. Given Russia's numerous forays into the North Sea airspace this year, would Scotland alone be able to deter them?
Would Scotland's health service survive?
The Scottish NHS will receive a £2bn funding boost by 2023 under the Barnet Formula
Scottish Secretary David Mundell said: "In the NHS's 70th year, I urge the Scottish government to invest this extra money in improving health services in Scotland.
"Our NHS is hugely valued by people in Scotland, but we have seen services under severe strain in recent years.
"This additional UK government investment in Scotland has the potential to make a real difference for people in Scotland."
Could Scotland handle the strain of a high cost health service independently without introducing unfavourable taxes or cutting services?
Can Scotland's universities continue to thrive when they are looking at an annual shortfall of between £202m and £155m if they do not receive the income provided by Barnet Formula Taxes?
Would Scotland still have such influence on global politics without its membership of the UK?Scotland’s interests are represented at the UN through Britain as one of only five permanent members of the UN Security Council.Scotland Would not be a member of G8 or G20 and could lose its opportunity to influence global decisions through Britain.
All this because you never get anywhere in the world cup.
Let it go guys, let it go.😁
Let it go guys, let it go.😁
Original post by Dy1an3van5
DISCLAIMER
I'm playing devil's advocate here just to see how this thread plays Out 😂
The real question is could Scotland function as an independent nation with the same level it does now ?
Economic growth for Scotland remains high and it considerably outpaced England--however David Phillips, an economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies thinktank, said: “This year’s figures continue to paint a relatively weak fiscal picture that is likely to persist unless there is a strong rebound in oil revenues" and Scotland’s deficit was equivalent to 7.9% of GDP, while for the UK as a whole it was 1.9%. Is it therefore economically viable in the long term for an independent Scotland, given the volatility of oil prices and the current shift towards a green economy? A BBC Report with economist Andrew Wilson noted that an independent Scotland would likely operate at a deficit for 10 years unless a radical plan was adopted to improve growth further such as an incentivised immigration scheme.
Other aspects for independence must also be considered:
Would Scotland still be a part of NATO? It is doubtful that an independent Scotland could muster a meaningful Military force on 2% of its independent GDP- given the army of the UK is being hollowed out as we speak. Scotland could form a mutual defence agreement with the UK, but military wise it would suffer severely from independence. Given Russia's numerous forays into the North Sea airspace this year, would Scotland alone be able to deter them?
Would Scotland's health service survive?
The Scottish NHS will receive a £2bn funding boost by 2023 under the Barnet Formula
Scottish Secretary David Mundell said: "In the NHS's 70th year, I urge the Scottish government to invest this extra money in improving health services in Scotland.
"Our NHS is hugely valued by people in Scotland, but we have seen services under severe strain in recent years.
"This additional UK government investment in Scotland has the potential to make a real difference for people in Scotland."
Could Scotland handle the strain of a high cost health service independently without introducing unfavourable taxes or cutting services?
Can Scotland's universities continue to thrive when they are looking at an annual shortfall of between £202m and £155m if they do not receive the income provided by Barnet Formula Taxes?
Would Scotland still have such influence on global politics without its membership of the UK?Scotland’s interests are represented at the UN through Britain as one of only five permanent members of the UN Security Council.Scotland Would not be a member of G8 or G20 and could lose its opportunity to influence global decisions through Britain.
I'm playing devil's advocate here just to see how this thread plays Out 😂
The real question is could Scotland function as an independent nation with the same level it does now ?
Economic growth for Scotland remains high and it considerably outpaced England--however David Phillips, an economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies thinktank, said: “This year’s figures continue to paint a relatively weak fiscal picture that is likely to persist unless there is a strong rebound in oil revenues" and Scotland’s deficit was equivalent to 7.9% of GDP, while for the UK as a whole it was 1.9%. Is it therefore economically viable in the long term for an independent Scotland, given the volatility of oil prices and the current shift towards a green economy? A BBC Report with economist Andrew Wilson noted that an independent Scotland would likely operate at a deficit for 10 years unless a radical plan was adopted to improve growth further such as an incentivised immigration scheme.
Other aspects for independence must also be considered:
Would Scotland still be a part of NATO? It is doubtful that an independent Scotland could muster a meaningful Military force on 2% of its independent GDP- given the army of the UK is being hollowed out as we speak. Scotland could form a mutual defence agreement with the UK, but military wise it would suffer severely from independence. Given Russia's numerous forays into the North Sea airspace this year, would Scotland alone be able to deter them?
Would Scotland's health service survive?
The Scottish NHS will receive a £2bn funding boost by 2023 under the Barnet Formula
Scottish Secretary David Mundell said: "In the NHS's 70th year, I urge the Scottish government to invest this extra money in improving health services in Scotland.
"Our NHS is hugely valued by people in Scotland, but we have seen services under severe strain in recent years.
"This additional UK government investment in Scotland has the potential to make a real difference for people in Scotland."
Could Scotland handle the strain of a high cost health service independently without introducing unfavourable taxes or cutting services?
Can Scotland's universities continue to thrive when they are looking at an annual shortfall of between £202m and £155m if they do not receive the income provided by Barnet Formula Taxes?
Would Scotland still have such influence on global politics without its membership of the UK?Scotland’s interests are represented at the UN through Britain as one of only five permanent members of the UN Security Council.Scotland Would not be a member of G8 or G20 and could lose its opportunity to influence global decisions through Britain.
I think the NHS should be private
Original post by Nadia19962
I’m Scottish but living in England, but I do believe that Scotland will be better off as an independent country than be part of the UK and that they can be part of the EU. Even though Scotland is part of the U.K., the Scottish people and the country are never treated as they part of the UK. I know that that they have the SNP and have their own NHS and also their own education system, but Scotland were and are never treated as fair as Wales, Northern Ireland and obviously England. They’re always mistreated and are often left out
In what sense is Scotland left out? You have your own assembly, as well as representation in Westminster like anywhere else in the UK.
I think the economic argument against Scottish independence is pretty much unanswerable. Scotland is financially better off within the United Kingdom and the people of Scotland are directly better off as a result. That's not simply an opinion I have plucked out of the air, it is the conclusion of every serious economic analysis conducted about Scotland's place in the UK.
I appreciate that, despite that, some people still want Scottish independence. For them, being poorer isn't really a terribly big issue: nationalism is not about what's good for a particular place, it is about rather grander concepts about the pride and dignity of the nation.
As you might have guessed, I don't have a lot of time for these arguments. It's perfectly fine voting to be worse off if you're relatively comfortable; it is, however, a betrayal of those who you share a community with who will be far more disadvantaged.
Equally, I would ask anyone inclined towards Scottish nationalism to take a bit of a step back. No-one is attacking or undermining your Scottish identity. I, for one, feel both British and Scottish (and European, Edinburgherish... whatever else). But does it really matter that much? It seems a bit silly to make political decisions based on something so arbitrary. Identities shift and change, they are complicated things that sometimes overlap and sometimes feel distant. They are not a positive or solid basis for a political system.
The United Kingdom, for its faults, is a liberal constitutional democracy that has held its own far better than most countries in our 300 years of existence. It accepts and respects difference within its borders. The enormous risks of breaking up that country hardly seem worth it, even if your sense of who you are and what you believe may be slightly different.
I appreciate that, despite that, some people still want Scottish independence. For them, being poorer isn't really a terribly big issue: nationalism is not about what's good for a particular place, it is about rather grander concepts about the pride and dignity of the nation.
As you might have guessed, I don't have a lot of time for these arguments. It's perfectly fine voting to be worse off if you're relatively comfortable; it is, however, a betrayal of those who you share a community with who will be far more disadvantaged.
Equally, I would ask anyone inclined towards Scottish nationalism to take a bit of a step back. No-one is attacking or undermining your Scottish identity. I, for one, feel both British and Scottish (and European, Edinburgherish... whatever else). But does it really matter that much? It seems a bit silly to make political decisions based on something so arbitrary. Identities shift and change, they are complicated things that sometimes overlap and sometimes feel distant. They are not a positive or solid basis for a political system.
The United Kingdom, for its faults, is a liberal constitutional democracy that has held its own far better than most countries in our 300 years of existence. It accepts and respects difference within its borders. The enormous risks of breaking up that country hardly seem worth it, even if your sense of who you are and what you believe may be slightly different.
Original post by Dy1an3van5
It didn't. It has outpaced the rest of the UK in a few quarters here and there, but look over five or ten years and you will see there is a serious and enduring underperformance there. Just yesterday as well, the Scottish Fiscal Commission released its forecasts for growth for the next five years - in all of them, Scotland underperforms against the UK average.
given the volatility of oil prices
Even if oil prices rebounded to $100 a barrel or above, the days of vast sums of public revenue coming from the North Sea are over. We have seen massively increasing decommissioning costs and remaining untapped resources becoming increasingly difficult to reach.
The other points you make are quite legitimate, I just wanted to throw the above into the mix given that I think they stray a bit from the facts.
Original post by Andrew97
I don’t get that logic. It was a U.K wide vote. Madienhead voted to remain? Does that mean they should stay in the EU.
Yes. But Maidenhead is not a country. Whereas Scotland is.
Original post by Xodrama.
Yes. But Maidenhead is not a country. Whereas Scotland is.
And? That makes no difference. It was a U.K. wide vote, that was made clear at the time.
I am scottish though I think we should stay as part of the UK, I can see arguments for and against though I have friends in Newcastle and Liverpool and see us all part of one family.
Original post by Andrew97
And? That makes no difference. It was a U.K. wide vote, that was made clear at the time.
It makes a difference. Scotland is a country so it has the right to independence and sovereignty due to Brexit. Do you think Maidenhead has the right to independency?
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