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Should the voting age be lowered?

Personally, I think yea. The voting should be lowered to 16. I am aware its only 2 years down but by the time you finish your GCSE's you should be abled to vote. Marriage and the age of consent is 16 so why can't they vote. When I was 16, 2 years ago I was frustrated by the fact that I couldn't vote, albeit some people are easily influenced by articulate speakers and some may not understand that could happen with anyone. Take Scotland for example their referendums were really successful therefore it should be lowered.
What do yalll think?
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i disagree, 18 is low enough as it is imo. 1) Most 16 year olds are idiots, even the smart ones. 2) The vast majority have no idea what responsibility really means. They dont own a home, they dont pay bills, they dont have a family and children they must work and provide for, they dont know what loss is. Most still have their mum wash their clothes ffs. Its no coincidence that people grow more conservative as they grow older. So while many youths have dreams of communist utopias and revolutions, they grow up, get jobs, find meaningful relationships and realize they have more important responsibilities than political activism. Young people are naturally arrogant and dismissive of the old, but wisdom comes with age.
No.
18- the legal age that adulthood begins is the right age to vote.
It is true that the age of sexual consent is 16 for everyone except students involved with a teacher and in some regions of the UK a 16 year old can marry without parental consent.
But only legal adults (not serving or sentenced to imprisonment sentences) should be eligible to vote.
Original post by BenK64
i disagree, 18 is low enough as it is imo. 1) Most 16 year olds are idiots, even the smart ones. 2) The vast majority have no idea what responsibility really means. They dont own a home, they dont pay bills, they dont have a family and children they must work and provide for, they dont know what loss is. Most still have their mum wash their clothes ffs. Its no coincidence that people grow more conservative as they grow older. So while many youths have dreams of communist utopias and revolutions, they grow up, get jobs, find meaningful relationships and realize they have more important responsibilities than political activism. Young people are naturally arrogant and dismissive of the old, but wisdom comes with age.


I agree
Original post by londonmyst
No.
18- the legal age that adulthood begins is the right age to vote.
It is true that the age of sexual consent is 16 for everyone except students involved with a teacher and in some regions of the UK a 16 year old can marry without parental consent.
But only legal adults (not serving or sentenced to imprisonment sentences) should be eligible to vote.

This is somewhat related to the topic, (kind of) but why do you think people who are serving sentences shouldn't be allowed to vote? Surely if they committted a crime that only require a short sentence they should be allowed to vote?
Original post by help-im-failing
Personally, I think yea. The voting should be lowered to 16. I am aware its only 2 years down but by the time you finish your GCSE's you should be abled to vote. Marriage and the age of consent is 16 so why can't they vote. When I was 16, 2 years ago I was frustrated by the fact that I couldn't vote, albeit some people are easily influenced by articulate speakers and some may not understand that could happen with anyone. Take Scotland for example their referendums were really successful therefore it should be lowered.
What do yalll think?
:smile:

No. Terrible idea.
No that’s ridiculous
Original post by help-im-failing
This is somewhat related to the topic, (kind of) but why do you think people who are serving sentences shouldn't be allowed to vote? Surely if they committted a crime that only require a short sentence they should be allowed to vote?


I'm not sure if people in prison for longer than 1 month are legally allowed to remain on the electoral register at their previous home/family address.

I don't believe that convicted criminals whose unlawful acts are deemed to merit a prison sentence should be allowed the opportunity to vote- as a matter of criminal justice policy and to preserve national stability & security.

My uncle was beaten into permanent disability by a convicted paedophile who had attacked a schoolgirl on the street, after being found guilty of GBH the paedophile received a prison sentence of less than two years for both the attack on my uncle and child porn crimes committed whilst on bail awaiting trial.
Upon release (not early release) the paedophile re-offended almost immediately- police caught him with 100,000 child videos & images of babies/small children of both genders being raped and received another short prison sentence.
Goodness knows which political party would have got that paedophile's vote had he been allowed to vote in elections.

British prisons are filled with violent sexual predators like him, the repercussions of allowing them to vote for the government of this country are dire and represent a terrifying prospect to me.
I doubt murderers, hate criminals and terrorists are any better.
Original post by BenK64
i disagree, 18 is low enough as it is imo. 1) Most 16 year olds are idiots, even the smart ones. 2) The vast majority have no idea what responsibility really means. They dont own a home, they dont pay bills, they dont have a family and children they must work and provide for, they dont know what loss is. Most still have their mum wash their clothes ffs. Its no coincidence that people grow more conservative as they grow older. So while many youths have dreams of communist utopias and revolutions, they grow up, get jobs, find meaningful relationships and realize they have more important responsibilities than political activism. Young people are naturally arrogant and dismissive of the old, but wisdom comes with age.

you can blame that on the education system, most people know what's left or right wing let alone the importance of contributing to society-it's seen as an adult thing and since you have to go searching for it yourself it can put other people off. but as you see with the results of brexit and the scottish independence referedum (where 16/17 year olds could vote and i think was the reason or contributed anyway to why the no vote won) the power 16-17 year olds has is enormous. if you feel that this age bracket isn't significantly interested or smart enough, what are you doing to help? are you having conversations about brexit, or teaching people about what an MP is, getting children involved in debating or protests ?? or anything age doesn't matter since the ballot paper sees us all the same, equal, no one is higher or lower than the other. yes there are safe seats but that doesn't mean people shouldn't vote and it's even more of a reason to lower the voting age. 16 year olds (With permission) can serve this country and get married, have children, win the lottery things that all impact on society so why not vote too? the generalisation that young people 'are naturally arrogant and dismissive of the old' is disgusting but you especially, since you're so clearly passionate, can at least do something to change it. if you didn't like the current governent you'd vote them out, if you don't like how a 17 year old is uninterested in politics what are you going to do?
More dumb people voting? Please no.
Jokes apart, at an age of 16 you are not mature enough(at least half the population at that age), so it's not worth it. At 18 the vast majority will be able to understand politics and vote for the right person.
Original post by help-im-failing
Personally, I think yea. The voting should be lowered to 16. I am aware its only 2 years down but by the time you finish your GCSE's you should be abled to vote. Marriage and the age of consent is 16 so why can't they vote. When I was 16, 2 years ago I was frustrated by the fact that I couldn't vote, albeit some people are easily influenced by articulate speakers and some may not understand that could happen with anyone. Take Scotland for example their referendums were really successful therefore it should be lowered.
What do yalll think?
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No, it is at a certain age for certain reasons if you want to know those reasons then Google it. :hello:
what are the reasons then in your opinion not google's
nah 18 is fine
when i was 16 i was dumb as sh**. i'm 17 and i'm still dumb as sh**. there's absolutely no need for the voting age to be lower. there is literally zero need.
The vast majority of adults should not be able to vote (myself included), we should leave it to the experts. Most of the public does not understand what they are voting for. Take brexit for example, nobody had any idea about the repercussions of leaving or remaining in the EU. As for lowering the voting age to 16, definitely not.
Reply 15
Original post by help-im-failing
Personally, I think yea. The voting should be lowered to 16. I am aware its only 2 years down but by the time you finish your GCSE's you should be abled to vote. Marriage and the age of consent is 16 so why can't they vote.


I'm not really sure what marriage and sexual intercourse have to do with voting. For my part, I wouldn't be terribly pleased if a child of mine was looking to marry at 16 or 17 - I would think he or she most likely lacked the capacity to make such an important decision. In any case, very few people of that age do marry.

You could just as easily compare it with buying a pint of beer or smoking a cigarette, both far less onerous choices than the future direction of the country - and both of which we put an age limit of 18 on. I don't really believe the current minimum ages for most things are particularly rational or have a great deal of internal logic. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to why we should use them as guidelines for other things.
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Take Scotland for example their referendums were really successful therefore it should be lowered.


Er, there's only been one Scottish-specific referendum with a voting age of 16.

In terms of success, I'm not really sure anyone's objections to votes at 16 are administrative in nature. I have no real doubts that 16 and 17 year olds could be successfully registered to vote, could make it to polling stations and could put crosses in boxes.
Original post by help-im-failing
Personally, I think yea. The voting should be lowered to 16. I am aware its only 2 years down but by the time you finish your GCSE's you should be abled to vote. Marriage and the age of consent is 16 so why can't they vote. When I was 16, 2 years ago I was frustrated by the fact that I couldn't vote, albeit some people are easily influenced by articulate speakers and some may not understand that could happen with anyone. Take Scotland for example their referendums were really successful therefore it should be lowered.
What do yalll think?
:smile:

If it were to be changed at all, it should be raised to 25.
Reply 17
Original post by applesandalevels
you can blame that on the education system, most people know what's left or right wing let alone the importance of contributing to society-it's seen as an adult thing and since you have to go searching for it yourself it can put other people off. but as you see with the results of brexit and the scottish independence referedum (where 16/17 year olds could vote and i think was the reason or contributed anyway to why the no vote won) the power 16-17 year olds has is enormous. if you feel that this age bracket isn't significantly interested or smart enough, what are you doing to help? are you having conversations about brexit, or teaching people about what an MP is, getting children involved in debating or protests ?? or anything age doesn't matter since the ballot paper sees us all the same, equal, no one is higher or lower than the other. yes there are safe seats but that doesn't mean people shouldn't vote and it's even more of a reason to lower the voting age. 16 year olds (With permission) can serve this country and get married, have children, win the lottery things that all impact on society so why not vote too? the generalisation that young people 'are naturally arrogant and dismissive of the old' is disgusting but you especially, since you're so clearly passionate, can at least do something to change it. if you didn't like the current governent you'd vote them out, if you don't like how a 17 year old is uninterested in politics what are you going to do?


Nope, i dont blame that on the education system. Having just finished a-levels (currently first year at uni), i can say for people who were interested in politics there was ample opportunity to explore and develop their interest. Most simply weren't interested. There is no 'failure of the education system' here. And yes young people are arrogant. And yes wisdom comes with age. I fully stand by this. What is 'disgusting' were the movements and protests after brexit saying that adults 'robbed our future' and other bllshit like that. I mean young people were literally claiming that older people shouldnt be allowed to vote on brexit because theyd die sooner. **** me. Young people think they can change the world for the better and theyve got all the answers but wouldnt know how to clean a bathroom. And i also stand by my main point, which is that the vast majority of 16-17 yr olds simply dont know what responsibility is. How can one claim to know the direction a country should take economically and socially when they haven't even remotely experienced the hardships and responsibilities of being an independent adult. What's more an independent adult with others that depend on you. To believe you can is in itself arrogance.
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It should be raised to 24 to allow at least a couple of years in the real world for students.
Original post by L i b
I'm not really sure what marriage and sexual intercourse have to do with voting. For my part, I wouldn't be terribly pleased if a child of mine was looking to marry at 16 or 17 - I would think he or she most likely lacked the capacity to make such an important decision. In any case, very few people of that age do marry.

You could just as easily compare it with buying a pint of beer or smoking a cigarette, both far less onerous choices than the future direction of the country - and both of which we put an age limit of 18 on. I don't really believe the current minimum ages for most things are particularly rational or have a great deal of internal logic. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to why we should use them as guidelines for other things.



Er, there's only been one Scottish-specific referendum with a voting age of 16.

In terms of success, I'm not really sure anyone's objections to votes at 16 are administrative in nature. I have no real doubts that 16 and 17 year olds could be successfully registered to vote, could make it to polling stations and could put crosses in boxes.



Erm, clearly you didn't understand my point. The link between marriage, age of consent and voting is that 16 year olds have responsibilies to a certain extent with things such as consent and marriage so why is voting not permitted? Also thats your own opinion about your child getting married so young, many cultures have thier kids married even younger but that theres culutre. But thats also really irrelevant, i don't understand your link between beer and smoking but okay.
The Scottish referndum was a success in terms of turnout:
A survey conducted by ICM found out that, 75% of 16 and 17 year olds voted, compared with 54% of 18-24 year olds and 72% of 25-34 year olds.
reference:http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/12/many-16-17-year-olds-voted/
Overall, I respect your opinion on the subject :smile:

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