Why is Brexit being sabotaged

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Did you see Jeremy Hunt today saying that we will be the new Singapore, with extremely low taxes? And presumably extremely low public services to match. :sad:

Then there's Gavin Williamson reporting that he is planning new UK military bases in the Far East and the Caribbean after Brexit. Apparently we are to return to the 1930s. All that is left is to build a new Brittannia ship (Prince Andrew has demanded one at a cost of £250m so that he can go on tour with his many young 'girlfriends' :wink:

and to send Liam Fox off on some sort of appeasement tour of Russia.

at least in Singapore they have a sensible attitude to drug dealing :h:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore

and they are not too keen on spitting chewing gum on the sidewalk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore

Reply 21

anarchism101

Original post by ByEeek

Agreed. I think the word control is also rather emotive. We have never been "controlled" by the EU. We have however signed up to and contributed to the creation of rules and laws that span the whole EU. The idea that we are some puppet that dances to an EU drum has never existed despite what the tabloid press might have us think.

Indeed, arguably the way we're least controlled is to be a member, as then we have some say in those rules and laws.

Reply 22

WaffleApple

Original post by the bear

at least in Singapore they have a sensible attitude to drug dealing :h:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore

and they are not too keen on spitting chewing gum on the sidewalk

The fact that Singapore has the capital punishment for drug dealing is just disgusting!

Drug dealers are not automatically bad people because they sell drugs. It’s a service that just happens to be illegal 😉

(edited 5 years ago)

Reply 23

the bear

Original post by WaffleApple

i am sure people smugglers are a great bunch too.... what amazing stories they could tell !!

Reply 24

londonmyst

Original post by WaffleApple

Drug dealers are not automatically bad people because they sell drugs. It’s a service that just happens to be illegal 😉

Do you extend the same line of thinking to those who sell child pornography?
Or human trafficker pimps who force the vulnerable females that they have brought to a foreign country into prostitution, with violent reprisals if the female refuses to comply with their demands?

Reply 25

username3883544

Brexit has not been sabotaged. The government has just been very poor negotiators, and the EU acted as one. If David Davis and Boris Johnson had been half-diligent, maybe we could have got a better offer.

Reply 26

Zarek

Membership of the EU has advantages and disadvantages. Leaving after many years of membership is a messy divorce and will have years of pain before any benefit is felt. For me the ridiculously naive referendum that those scoundrels Cameron and Osborne thought they would win is the real mistake.

Reply 27

username1799249

Original post by DSutch

I disagree. I think the expectations of Brexiteers was unrealistic. The deal we have got by any standard is pretty good. The EU could have given us much worse. It is ironic that the only real sticking point is NI and only because the DUP are currently king makers.

Reply 28

WaffleApple

Original post by the bear

i am sure people smugglers are a great bunch too.... what amazing stories they could tell !!

While I love your sarcasm that’s just not an accurate comparison... It’s like comparing apples and oranges. Both are kind of round but very different things.

Original post by londonmyst

Now you are just being small minded.

Let’s summarise drug dealing. Drugs are produced, trafficked then sold to distributors for individual resale. Most of the people who buy said drugs are consenting adults.

Comparing drug dealing to child pornography (causes direct harm to a child) and human trafficking is just silly.

Does a brick of cocaine have feelings? Similar feelings to a female? Does anyone force the people who buy said cocaine and consume it? It’s a completely consensual process unlike child pornography and the sex trade.

Why should anyone receive such a harsh punishment like being put to death simply for selling an item that consenting adults choose to buy and use?

No not a drug dealer just a mature individual with a realistic outlook on life!

Reply 29

ColinDent

Original post by the bear

the people who voted for Brexit have a far lower median IQ than those who voted to Remain. instead of working harmoniously in shared prosperity with our natural EU allies, we shall be the Trotters of the Northern Hemisphere, ducking and diving under the shelter of a tatty umbrella of uncoordinated shady deals with dodgy countries.

enjoy

:h:

IQ? Please provide the evidence, levels of educational qualifications ( those that are more freely available and easily attainable these days) I would accept but anyone with any intelligence would know the difference. Also is every country outside of the EU a dodgy one? Again evidence please.

Reply 30

Bomby23

Who wants to colonise the world with us again. Rule Brittania, Brittania rules the waves.

But srsly who wants to invade the US again

Reply 31

ColinDent

Original post by WaffleApple

While I love your sarcasm that’s just not an accurate comparison... It’s like comparing apples and o

ranges. Both are kind of round but very different things.

Now you are just being small minded.

Let’s summarise drug dealing. Drugs are produced, trafficked then sold to distributors for individual resale. Most of the people who buy said drugs are consenting adults.

Comparing drug dealing to child pornography (causes direct harm to a child) and human trafficking is just silly.

Does a brick of cocaine have feelings? Similar feelings to a female? Does anyone force the people who buy said cocaine and consume it? It’s a completely consensual process unlike child pornography and the sex trade.

Why should anyone receive such a harsh punishment like being put to death simply for selling an item that consenting adults choose to buy and use?

No not a drug dealer just a mature individual with a realistic outlook on life!

What about the young adults and children that are being hooked onto hard drugs with the offer of free drugs! We all know it happens as it's the best tool dealers have ( here's a freebie, call me if you need some more). Drugs are every parents nightmare, so you explain what is acceptable about those particular practices.

Reply 32

the bear

Original post by ColinDent

i am not saying that having a low IQ is a bad thing. in post Brexit Britain it will be a positive bonus :h:

Reply 33

Fullofsurprises

Original post by the bear

i am sure people smugglers are a great bunch too.... what amazing stories they could tell !!

In Brexit Britain, people smuggling will become the duty of all Remaining citizens. We must undermine the kippers by importing more subversives with beliefs in bizarre things such as 'human rights' and 'decent food'.

Reply 34

Fullofsurprises

Original post by the bear

i am not saying that having a low IQ is a bad thing. in post Brexit Britain it will be a positive bonus :h:

The national IQ fell by 16 points on referendum day.

Reply 35

WaffleApple

Original post by ColinDent

Statistically speaking this is a rare occurrence.

It’s similar to saying some shops get closed down for selling alcohol to minors so all shops who sell alcohol are committing a morally awful sin and should be closed down.

You can not taint everyone due to the actions of a small fraction of people.

You have armed robbers who rob shops with loaded firearms, ready to put anyone down at the blink of an eye. Then you have armed robbers who simply use firearms for intimidation and usually carry not loaded weapons. Are both them people the same? Of course they aren’t. They’re both ‘wrong’ but they are not the same.

Basically I’m not condoning crime, armed robbery or drug dealing. My point is that having the capital punishment for drug dealing is meaninglessly slaughtering numerous people who don’t deserve anything like that. Meaninglessly killing all drug dealers simply because a very small fraction sell to minors is just wrong. In my opinion of course.

You are aware that in Singapore they issue the death sentence for hard core heroin dealers who are getting children hooked on drugs. But they also issue that same punishment for the hippy guy down the road, who is growing marijuana and just making enough cash to take care of his family.

Reply 36

the bear

Original post by WaffleApple

You are aware that in Singapore they issue the death sentence for hard core heroin dealers who are getting children hooked on drugs. But they also issue that same punishment for the hippy guy down the road, who is growing marijuana and just making enough cash to take care of his family.

Mr Hippy could make a decent living by making and selling hippy artisan stuff like sandals made from discarded tires, or handbags made from roadkill.

Reply 37

Notoriety

Original post by WaffleApple

How many hippies do you think there are in Singapore? There is no hippy down the road because they know the consequences in Singapore (they drive the stuff in from Malaysia); and there is no land to grow ****ing marijuana.

Reply 38

londonmyst

Original post by WaffleApple

I oppose the death penalty in all circumstances.

I've met many people who seem to honestly believe that all laws criminalizing possession/supply of prohibited narcotics should be repealed, along with all laws against pornography and prostitution.
A few also advocate no minimum age of sexual consent and that upskirting should be legal as long as the victim is not physically touched.
Most are involved with anarchist groups, a few claim to be fundamentalist libertarians not anarchists.