ban on kosher and halal slaughter has come into effect in the Flanders region of Belg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6564631/Belgium-bans-halal-kosher-slaughter-methods-animals-killed-without-stunned-first.html

https://news.sky.com/story/flanders-region-of-belgium-bans-halal-and-kosher-animal-slaughter-11601286

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Reply 1

username2941720

I wouldn't say it's an attack on religion, but most certainly it is preventing Muslims and Jews from practicing their religion. They will have to buy their meat abroad, which in some extreme cases, could lead to severe food shortages.

I think this is one of the instances where the law of the country should not be prioritised over religion.

Unlike the ban on headscarves in France, I believe this goes a little too far. Animal rights protection is not the right justification for this. Shouldn't human rights (freely practicing religion) come first?

Reply 2

DrMikeHuntHertz

Original post by nstar12

Shouldn't human rights (freely practicing religion) come first?

So they can do what ever they like to animals in the name of religion?

Reply 3

TommyDH

Good. Barbaric practices that belong in medieval times and have no place in a civilized society. I eat meat, I'm an eating meat advocate. But factory farms and non-stun slaughter must stop.

Let's hope this country follows soon.

Reply 4

username1148663

Original post by looloo2134

Good, we should have done this years ago

Conflicted on this

Original post by nstar12

I wouldn't say animal cruelty is a human right.

Reply 7

Obolinda

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The way halal and kosher meat is killed is not very humane but I could argue how could you humanely kill something that doesn't want to be killed?

Reply 8

username1148663

Original post by Obolinda

The way halal and kosher meat is killed is not very humane but I could argue how could you humanely kill something that doesn't want to be killed?

Should we shoot people in war or torture them to death?

Reply 9

admonit

Original post by TommyDH

Discussing how exactly animals should be killed to provide you meat sounds pretty cynical. If you want be honest - stop eating meat.

Reply 10

Obolinda

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Original post by paul514

Should we shoot people in war or torture them to death?

Shooting them would be more "humane". Although I wouldn't call killing somebody "humane" anyway, being shot is still quite painful. The point of war however seems to justify killing ppl better than killing the animal just to eat it, for me personally.

Reply 11

username1148663

Original post by Obolinda

The point I am making is that it is far more humane and there is a difference.

Anyone who disagrees is welcome to not eat meat

Reply 12

Obolinda

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Original post by paul514

The point I am making is that it is far more humane and there is a difference.

Anyone who disagrees is welcome to not eat meat

I know.

I don't and why isn't anybody who disagrees with you free to eat kosher and halal meat?

Reply 13

TommyDH

Original post by admonit

Discussing how exactly animals should be killed to provide you meat sounds pretty cynical. If you want be honest - stop eating meat.

I did, for 3 years, and I looked like an anorexic cancer patient by hte end of it. We're omnivores, we need meat. Just because I eat meat doesn't mean I think they should be in cages too small for them and die slowly being tortured with its throat slit while some guy with a beard does satanic chants at it. That's not harvesting food, that's being a barbaric sadist.

Animals out on pastures grazing living a happy life naturally and stunned before quick painless harvest does me just fine thanks and keeps my conscience clean.

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Excellent news :woo:

Original post by Obolinda

I know.

I don't and why isn't anybody who disagrees with you free to eat kosher and halal meat?

Exactly what I was gonna say

Reply 16

TommyDH

Original post by Obolinda

The way halal and kosher meat is killed is not very humane but I could argue how could you humanely kill something that doesn't want to be killed?

By stunning it before harvest would be a great start. And having the harvest quick and painless, rather than the long drawn out torture that primitive practices like halal/kosher demands.

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Reply 17

username1148663

Original post by Obolinda

I know.

I don't and why isn't anybody who disagrees with you free to eat kosher and halal meat?

Because it should be banned for the treatment of animals.

Halal can be pre stunned in their religion

Reply 18

Andrew97

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Human rights? Lol

Reply 19

Wōden

Original post by Obolinda

Only if the war itself is justified, and the vast majority in human history probably weren't just in any shape or form. Most wars are the result of a wealthy elite wanting to take the land and resources of another wealthy elite, and drafting in the poorest who will never even see much personal benefit from said land and resources to do the dirty work for them.

Killing animals for food on the other hand is just basic survival. Yeah I know, we can survive on vegetables just fine too, but meat is still the most consistent and reliable source of food we have, and for as long as that is the case it will remain a staple part of the human diet.

Slaughtering animals for food is one thing. There is no need to turn the act into an inhumane, ritual sacrifice just to sate the Bronze age superstitions of Jews and Muslims.