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Is there anyone here working class and poor who wants Remain?

Hand up if you're (or your family) is working class, poor or unemployed and you still want Remain.

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Original post by nonotyoutoo
Hand up if you're (or your family) is working class, poor or unemployed and you still want Remain.

Myself and all of my family are working class, I'd say 90-95% of us voted to leave and 90-95% of us still want to leave.
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Good thing the working-class poor have Jacob Rees-Mogg on their side. I’m sure he feels your pain.
Original post by tazarooni89
Good thing the working-class poor have Jacob Rees-Mogg on their side. I’m sure he feels your pain.

Ah yes, the whole belittling of the problem approach works so very well.
Unfortunately the poorest, and the most poorly educated, tended to be most persuaded by the populist 'take our country back' rhetoric. The poor will suffer the worst consequences of a hard Brexit if it happens.
Original post by Axiomasher
Unfortunately the poorest, and the most poorly educated, tended to be most persuaded by the populist 'take our country back' rhetoric. The poor will suffer the worst consequences of a hard Brexit if it happens.

The poorest and the most poorly educated as you so very condescendingly put it, have been the ones that have been worst affected by our wonderful EU membership for so many years, our voices and concerns have been ignored so yes we are the group more likely to have voted to leave.
By the way can you please explain how a 22 year old with an art degree is liable to know more about politics and life in general than a 40 odd year old that has closely followed politics for the last 30 years or so, education does not equate to common sense and is no substitute for observing what is actually happening in the world.
Original post by Axiomasher
Unfortunately the poorest, and the most poorly educated, tended to be most persuaded by the populist 'take our country back' rhetoric. The poor will suffer the worst consequences of a hard Brexit if it happens.


that is the choice facing the worst off people in society. is it any wonder why 51.7% of the country voted out with millions wanting a clean break?

once we take back control from the EU, we should take back control from parliament and the house of lords too. just watch the coup in progress against brexit.

politicians like migrants to weaken the power of the country's natives and sign up to things to the EU so they can say "they had no choice" when it's what they wanted. get rid of the EU. get rid of the migrants. and if there's anything wrong left, it's solely down to the politicians. that's why they don't want us to leave.
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Original post by Axiomasher
Unfortunately the poorest, and the most poorly educated, tended to be most persuaded by the populist 'take our country back' rhetoric. The poor will suffer the worst consequences of a hard Brexit if it happens.


"Anyone with a different opinion to me is poorly educated".

It's actually that kind of attitude the poor voted leave. They're sick of sanctimonious rich white illiberals spewing hate and bile like that.
this whole "Brexit" malarkey is orchestrated and underwritten by the Kremlin. it will end in tears, you mark my words.
Original post by nonotyoutoo
Hand up if you're (or your family) is working class, poor or unemployed and you still want Remain.


Yep.

Anyone with a few brain cells could work out that we were better off in the EU - : ) You know; Free movement, funding for scientific programs, jurisdiction of the ECJ (bcos who trusts a 'British bill of rights' made by the Tories over human rights), free trade with those in the EEA etc.

: / Oh well. So much for a good career in science at a uni where I don't have to sell my soul to corporate overlords thanks to eu grants. : )

Guess I just go work for a private company - probably based in Berlin and pay taxes over there.


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That being said, Parliament voting to end Brexit would make it look kinda tyrannical. And another referendum would only make it look like Govt holds them until it gets the answer it wants - which brings up the same problem. That being said I don't really care for democracy. I would be fine with an autocracy that just does everything I agree with. The average person is not very bright, and I wouldn't think too much about taking away their right to vote. : /
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Original post by Dannyboy2015
Yep.

Anyone with a few brain cells could work out that we were better off in the EU - : ) You know; Free movement, funding for scientific programs, jurisdiction of the ECJ (bcos who trusts a 'British bill of rights' made by the Tories over human rights), free trade with those in the EEA etc.

: / Oh well. So much for a good career in science at a uni where I don't have to sell my soul to corporate overlords thanks to eu grants. : )

Guess I just go work for a private company - probably based in Berlin and pay taxes over there.


the uk is a net contributor to the eu. which means the uk government is essentially paying for your grant.

if you hate your country so much there is nothing to stop you from leaving.

from the sounds of it you're going to outgrow your working class roots. just don't be like ****ing j-lo ok. she's definitely not jenny from the block.
Original post by nonotyoutoo
the uk is a net contributor to the eu. which means the uk government is essentially paying for your grant.

if you hate your country so much there is nothing to stop you from leaving.

from the sounds of it you're going to outgrow your working class roots. just don't be like ****ing j-lo ok. she's definitely not jenny from the block.


Clearly, you are a troll. With your wild accusations.

Also, yes the UK was a net contributor to the EU... However we did get a lot out of the EU and then on-top of that - Thanks to the EEA. We made a lot of money from trading with one of our biggest trading partners - the EU. This will clearly be hampered in the future.

: )


Also do you really trust the Tories, or any party for that matter, to come up with a 'bill of British rights' and replace Human rights with that. The ECJ is one of those institutions that inhibit these actions and acts as a check to government. but yeah who wants that right? : _)
Original post by Dannyboy2015
Clearly, you are a troll. With your wild accusations.

Also, yes the UK was a net contributor to the EU... However we did get a lot out of the EU and then on-top of that - Thanks to the EEA. We made a lot of money from trading with one of our biggest trading partners - the EU. This will clearly be hampered in the future.

: )


Also do you really trust the Tories, or any party for that matter, to come up with a 'bill of British rights' and replace Human rights with that. The ECJ is one of those institutions that inhibit these actions and acts as a check to government. but yeah who wants that right? : _)


how am i a troll. i voted in the great referendum of 2016. i was a card carrying member of ukip (not now cos it went to bits). i campaigned in the streets and i met nigel farage and shook his hand.

i don't trust any of the parties really as none of them is willing to come out officially for the clean brexit I voted for. actually I would prefer less "human rights", the way it's been used has been against the interests of hardworking british people as it's the foreign criminals and illegal migrants who cry foul and suck up legal aid cos they say their "human rights" are being abused at a cost to the british taxpayer. ditto for british soldiers being sued by chancer goat herders who wants a payday from ambulance changing lawyers, again citing "human rights". a bill of rights that emphasises the rights of british citizens would be much better.
Original post by TommyDH
"Anyone with a different opinion to me is poorly educated".

It's actually that kind of attitude the poor voted leave. They're sick of sanctimonious rich white illiberals spewing hate and bile like that.


Rather odd reason to vote for Brexit, isn’t it? Not because “this will make me better off” but because “this will teach those rich people a lesson!”


Besides, Axiomasher didn’t say anything untrue; it’s well established that people with lower levels of education (e.g. without degrees) were more likely to vote leave.
Original post by nonotyoutoo
how am i a troll. i voted in the great referendum of 2016. i was a card carrying member of ukip (not now cos it went to bits). i campaigned in the streets and i met nigel farage and shook his hand.

i don't trust any of the parties really as none of them is willing to come out officially for the clean brexit I voted for. actually I would prefer less "human rights", the way it's been used has been against the interests of hardworking british people as it's the foreign criminals and illegal migrants who cry foul and suck up legal aid cos they say their "human rights" are being abused at a cost to the british taxpayer. ditto for british soldiers being sued by chancer goat herders who wants a payday from ambulance changing lawyers, again citing "human rights". a bill of rights that emphasises the rights of british citizens would be much better.


Oh honey, did you shake Nigel Farages hand? Look at you getting into politics! You're trollish comments came about when you started making comments about what I thought of my country based off nothing other than your own views.

Then again when you suggested that we paid more into the EU than we got out whilst wilfully ignoring the fact that they are one of our biggest trading partners and we are losing out on that to a large degree.

As for human rights, whilst there may be some areas that I do not fully agree with (e.g. prisoners having the right to vote), on the whole they make it easier for people to claim against abusive institutions and prevent government oppression. : )


Good luck selling the 'human rights r bad' story on TSR tho. lol
Original post by ColinDent
By the way can you please explain how a 22 year old with an art degree is liable to know more about politics and life in general than a 40 odd year old that has closely followed politics for the last 30 years or so, education does not equate to common sense and is no substitute for observing what is actually happening in the world.


If you’re going down that route; the majority of professional politicians (not just 40 year olds who have “closely followed politics”), including the Prime Minister herself voted to Remain.
Original post by ColinDent
....By the way can you please explain how a 22 year old with an art degree is liable to know more about politics and life in general than a 40 odd year old that has closely followed politics for the last 30 years or so, education does not equate to common sense and is no substitute for observing what is actually happening in the world.


Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens but it's obvious already that some big manufacturers are getting nervous about staying in the UK if it all turns sour. As for a 22 year old and 40 (odd) year old, not sure who you mean but age and 'following politics' doesn't make a person an authority on anything.
Original post by Axiomasher
Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens but it's obvious already that some big manufacturers are getting nervous about staying in the UK if it all turns sour. As for a 22 year old and 40 (odd) year old, not sure who you mean but age and 'following politics' doesn't make a person an authority on anything.

Nor does an education make you know more about politics, observing politics over a number of years however does allow people to freely form opinions on political matters, and those opinions are every bit as important as those of any " educated" person.
The insinuation being made by some is that the more educated must know more than those with only a secondary level of education, they almost certainly do on the subject in which they specialise, unless of course the subject is something like politics which is all about opinion.
I wonder how many on here would define themselves as working class? No one seems to have come forward to say they are and they want to remain, just seems to be a whole load of sneery remarks about poor and ill educated people.
Original post by ColinDent
I wonder how many on here would define themselves as working class? No one seems to have come forward to say they are and they want to remain, just seems to be a whole load of sneery remarks about poor and ill educated people.

I am working class and definitely not a remainer

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