Conservatism is a losers philosophy. Discuss

ah yes a mass murdering 'human' he deserves the rope and nothing more, he doomed Cuba and proved once again the faliure of Communism whilst subjecting his people to atrocities.

Powell is the definitive conservative and by that I mean he was an abject failure. He was far from outstanding. His heir is the far more successful but ultimately still a failure Nigel Farage:

Mosley was twice the man Powell was.

Although communism does have the high score all regimes whether liberal, fascist or communist commit mass murders.

say what you want sbout Castro or Stalin if immigrants came into their country and started grooming children they would have rounded them up and shot them not covered it up and then give them a few years in prison.

ah yes a mass murdering 'human' he deserves the rope and nothing more, he doomed Cuba and proved once again the faliure of Communism whilst subjecting his people to atrocities.

I'm knackered, preferable to the Tories or to the Duce? Both?

eh Fascism is filled with traitors, less so than communism , Moseley was a traitor to his country yet he did have some points I can agree with. But still National Conservatism is the way foward

Castro died in his own bed whilst Mussolini met his end strung up to a lamppost.

That doesn’t mean anything, conversely Pinochet died in his own bed whilst Trotsky git an ice pick through him

Yeah and which between those two "won"?

Considering the US attempts to get rid of Castro and thier record in Latin America, Castro dieing in his own bed is an impressive acheivement.

What do you mean?

The UK isn't Cuba is it? Not comparable. I would rather live in a rich western liberal democracy with a welfare state, even if it is ran by Tories. I'm also a democratic socialist so whilst I will defend Cuban communism from right wing attacks it also isn't what I want. Another perspectice is how does/did cuba effect geopolitics? Castra and Cuba were much better allies to black liberation in Africa. Castro was better fot the global south during the cold war.

Cuba is a poorer country Plus I like the internet and the authoratarianism of actually existing communism leaves a lot to be desired. But if I had to live somewhere in 20th centurt latin america then cuba is not at all the worse place to be.

Allende was my prefered Latin American Marxist leader, but look what happened to that experiment. There is a reason the communist government in cuba survived.

Read a great quote recently:

‘Conservatism is merely the shadow that follows radicalism (The modern left) as it heads towards perdition’.

Conservatism has always been powerless to stop and in some cases even advocated for and encouraged the radicalism which it is in theory meant to be opposed to.

If you are opposed to the direction that society is hurtling towards; mass immigration, insane social liberalism, suppression of free speech etc then you are eating your time with conservatism as an ideal let alone the abject failure that is the U.K. Tory party.

You're describing social conservatism, which yes is a loser's philosophy. Liberalism has won most of the arguments with only relatively minor issues (such as trans acceptance/rights) existing today.

Economic conservatism however is certainly not dead.

Social conservatism doesn’t really work as an ideology as it’s basicalky how normal, healthy l, functional societies, families and people behaved until people like Freud and Adorno et aI pathologised this for their own sick purposes.

But I do believe that the radical left have a winners temperament and attitude. Where the conservative is cautious and almost embarrassed to say what is right the radical left are willing to fight for what they believe in and to work collectively to achieve this.

I would rather live in a rich western liberal democracy with a welfare state, even if it is ran by Tories. I'm also a democratic socialist so whilst I will defend Cuban communism from right wing attacks it also isn't what I want.

"I like living in a wealthy country with a safety net to fall back upon, all benefits of capitalism. Also I'm a socialist, believe in the literal opposite of capitalism, and will defend that belief."

... What? That some serious mental gymnastics right there.

That is some bad anthropology.

"Property was possessively marked and patriarchs exercised coercive, sometimes even tyrannical power over their kin. But in the long winter months, when seals and walrus flocked to the Arctic shore, another social structure entirely took over as Inuit gathered together to build great meeting houses of wood, whale-rib and stone. Within them, the virtues of equality, altruism and collective life prevailed; wealth was shared; husbands and wives exchanged partners under the aegis of Sedna, the Goddess of the Seals."

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5409/are-we-city-dwellers-or-hunter-gatherers

The only "normal" is variation.

The left and the right work differently to achieve society's goals, or they should at least. The left should prevent too much concentration of power and wealth, should innovate and encourage change when needed. The right should balance that out, prevent the world from constant revolution, provide stable management most of the time, and prevent the left from going crazy.

It's more of a symptom of today's society that the left shouts loud and conservatives are more conceited. The left has a great hold on culture today where conservatives do not. 50 years ago it was the other way around. 50 years from now, it will be the other way around. It's a cycle. As it should be.

Now there’s five munited of my life I’m never going to get back.

Inequality doesn't exist purely because of economic factors but primarily because of nature. Your communist caveman commune was no doubt highly unequal because they did not have the decadence of feminism- men were hunters because naturally they made better hunters. The strongest of the hunters got the pick of the women.