Any positives about brexit

The UK joining the EEC played no part in the demise of its manufacturing. It was the deliberate strategy of Margaret Thatcher to abandon old industries in favour of financial services, which the UK could grow thanks to the Single Market. By doing that, she however condemned many parts of the country and mostly favoured the South East.

Now you're just silly.

What do you mean "too big for its boots"?

The "people" never said they wanted to leave on WTO rules. The vote was only about "leaving the EU". The UK could stay in the Single Market and Customs Union; it would still respect the people's vote.

Businesses tend to avoid making announcements saying "we're going to fire thousands of people". They establish a subsidiary in another country, with all the new jobs are created there, while they let the former site slowly die of attrition.

There's only speculation of that so far, we haven't seen anything that suggest there will be wide scale job losses. Sure, there's always a threat of offices closing to move to somewhere with cheaper labour, or because of automation and other ways to cut costs, but this can happen all the time anyway.

In no part have I said the UK politicians have played no part, this is because I know this would be very neive and highly open to debate however you claim the EU to be totally blameless? Interesting explain please?

Oh I am? Maybe a you could do a little reserch before you throw such flippant assumptions about me around?

Intrusive regarding being political Controling, particularly with how many unelected people are making such rules.

So let's leave then and the people said we should leave on WTO rules far more than they said we want a losers vote

Old lad you clutching at straws the people clearly voted to leave ve the EU in a referendum decribed by the leader of the REMAIN campaign as a one in a generation decision to put the issue once and for all to bed. You can twist and shout all you like but the fact is the people voted the nation decided to leave, the political leaders agreed and voted for article 50 which clearly states WTO rules at the end. You can shout and cry all you wish but you wont change the fact the people voted to leave, there is no acceptable deal so the oy option is leave on Wto rules or go against the will of the people.

You really need to look into the European model because you are incorrect regarding how many unelected by the electorate servants there are.

Even pro EU propaganda by the BBC cannot skirt around this, try as they may the facts are the facts. Talking of which you can strap that blindfold nice a d tight but unfortunately it does not change the the truth the EU has funded several businesses however some indirectly, Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant for one, I doubt you will read it but

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10026411.Focus_on_Ford__The___80m_EU_loan_for_Ford_s_Turkish_Transit_plant/

I'm not shouting, nor twisting.

The referendum was about leaving the EU, not the Single Market or the Customs Union. I also remember some prominent Brexiters saying that "of course we'll make a deal with the EU", "it will be the easiest deal in history", etc. I however don't remember many statements made before the referendum that the UK will leave on WTO terms (which means visas, border controls, massive reduction of trade, etc.).


Public servants are generally not elected, anywhere.


Link says "loan", not "grant". It also says Ford UK received a £450 million loan in 2010 (compared to £80 million for Ford Turkey). The EIB gives many loans to developing countries around the world; and Turkey is a member of the Customs Union. The real scandal here is that Ford moves left the UK after having received a big help to invest there from the EIB.

You simply are twisting what we voted for to suit your and your own views we was told clearly listen for yourself 1:50

https://youtu.be/w87GNWJHtFM

We knew what we were voting for, we want to leave.

It's the sheer amount of and the power they hold which sits uneasy with me, however I do take your point our own system is far from perfect regarding unelected figures, however two wrongs don't make a right. It's not OK because we do it, the inspector was looking at the EU at the time and they did not like what they saw.
Regarding Ford you have managed to defend Ford and the EU when even the www.Ilovetheeu.co.uk website could not! I'm not sure if thats a sign of dedication or delusion?

I can only think of one. That 22 UKIP MEPS will not have a job.

What Cameron said before the vote is irrelevant. The only thing that matters was what was written on the ballot. It was not written "leave on WTO terms"; this is your interpretation. Staying in the CU and SM is a perfectly valid solution.

So how do you explain the demise of UK manufacturing that has accured since joining the EEC/EU?

No more agricultural subsidies.
No more foreign fishing.
No more banking regulation preventing us from clearing Yuan and Rupees.
No more objections to ‘state aid’ and discrimination in favour of British business.

The last point is very important, would Redcar really have been an issue if government projects using steel were going to British manufacturers if they were fairly price competitive?

I doubt it they are paying tax, NI and giving employment and that should be factored in.

I find it curious that this has suddenly become part of the debate. We seem to oppose agricultural subsisdy even though we as consumers we benefit from the cheap high quality, highly regulated foods that it produces. Yet we baulk at not being able to subsidise industry even though it is well understood that such subsidies don't really benefit anyone. And yet, all-the-while, Brexit as a thing is employing in excess of 3000 extra civil servants (government paid of course) which makes Redcar pale into insignificance. The bottom line is that we could save industrial jobs under the current rules. We just choose not to mainly because it makes no sense. As a country, we no longer make widgets. Perhaps the days of primary and major secondary industry have gone too, to be replaced by high value, high skill, high tech industries?