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Original post by BinaryJava
Currently there is a lot of uncertainty so companies choosing to move out of the uk is just a risk minimisation thing. But once we have fully left and have setup our own framework businesses will come back. Also companies moving out of the UK to places like Singapore show that we are moving towards trading more globally.

Singapore just signed a trade deal with the EU that will eliminate tariffs on (nearlly) all products in the next 5 years. Part of that deal will be Singapore recognising EU regulations and standards to further reduce barriers to trade.

As far as setting up a new framework, how long will that take and how much damage will be done in the intervening period? No major politicians have made any really fleshed out statements on what exaclty the UK regulatory and wider business landscape will look like, even in an idealised world.
Original post by Notoriety
Poor, poor. I would have thought someone so active in serious political discussion would be at least familiar with the WTO's rules. There are significant restrictions on discriminaton under GATT and GATS. Look up the national treatment principle.

WTO is rather more toothless than the EU. It does not stop a multitude of nations.
Original post by Rakas21
WTO is rather more toothless than the EU. It does not stop a multitude of nations.

What nations? What do they do that's naughty?

That's not to say that I think WTO is as strong as the EU in its enforcement, but I am just curious what you have in mind. The WTO's lesser potency is compensated by its almighty scope as nearly all nations are WTO signatories.
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Original post by ColinDent
So we hold a referendum with 3 options a Norway type deal, a CETA type free trade deal or no deal, or are you simply trying to push a remain agenda which would indeed make your rhetoric disingenuous.

It would be acceptable, yes. However a CETA type free trade agreement is impossible as it would take years to negotiate, while there is no time left. The only possible choices are CU/SM (minimal negotiations required), or WTO terms.
Original post by Rakas21
WTO is rather more toothless than the EU. It does not stop a multitude of nations.

China and the USA can get away, but I'm not sure about the UK...
Original post by Rakas21

On the subject of cheap European food, many of us would argue that we could purchase Angolan bananas as cheaply without subsidy if free of tariffs imposed by Brussels.

True. But we might also be at the mercy of GM modified, hormone injected, anti-biotic rich cr@p produced on an industrial scale from the likes of the US. No thank you.
Original post by ByEeek
True. But we might also be at the mercy of GM modified, hormone injected, anti-biotic rich cr@p produced on an industrial scale from the likes of the US. No thank you.

This remains the firm plan of Tory Brexiteers - Liam Fox in particular has been emphatic that after Brexit we will be using US foods on a mass scale. The government play an important role in the food industry ecology, because they buy large bulk quantities of foodstuffs for schools, the military, the NHS and so on - I don't doubt for a moment that low-standard and low-quality US food will soon be on every hospital tray and child's dinner table in the UK. So much for concern about UK farmers as a cornerstone of Brexit. Also note the childlike attempts by Michael Gove to pretent that it ain't happening, when it patently will.
Some healthy scepticism about the government will never hurt!
Original post by Fullofsurprises
This remains the firm plan of Tory Brexiteers - Liam Fox in particular has been emphatic that after Brexit we will be using US foods on a mass scale. The government play an important role in the food industry ecology, because they buy large bulk quantities of foodstuffs for schools, the military, the NHS and so on - I don't doubt for a moment that low-standard and low-quality US food will soon be on every hospital tray and child's dinner table in the UK. So much for concern about UK farmers as a cornerstone of Brexit. Also note the childlike attempts by Michael Gove to pretent that it ain't happening, when it patently will.

This will also be the case with American drugs. Trump will demand a regulatory alignment on American standards to consent to a trade agreement with the UK. :yy:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/01/uk-business-figures-still-backing-brexit to say company CEOs dont support brexit is wrong, they may not be the majority but they exist, most of the company CEOs that are against brexit are the big multinationals anyway.
people voted to leave because they did not want to be tied to a shrinking global economy, an uncompetitive, undemocratic big group.
Original post by cuber314159
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/01/uk-business-figures-still-backing-brexit to say company CEOs dont support brexit is wrong, they may not be the majority but they exist, most of the company CEOs that are against brexit are the big multinationals anyway.
people voted to leave because they did not want to be tied to a shrinking global economy, an uncompetitive, undemocratic big group.

Correct, these are the people with massive influence on the media and also the ones whom have regular 'dinners' with the EU political unelected elite!
It's ****ing up the Conervative party and creating a space for Labour.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
It's ****ing up the Conervative party and creating a space for Labour.

Not really, it's ****ing up the Conservatives yes, but they are still ahead in the polls, go figure.
Original post by ColinDent
Not really, it's ****ing up the Conservatives yes, but they are still ahead in the polls, go figure.


It is like 2017 never happened.


Also Tories are genuinely scared
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8257029/
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Original post by old_dude
This will also be the case with American drugs. Trump will demand a regulatory alignment on American standards to consent to a trade agreement with the UK. :yy:

Agreed. And we will need all the drugs we can get once our booming scientific research community leave post Brexit.
Original post by yngze
Hindsight eh?


No... just Boris blinkers. Don't get fooled again! One upside... political shows are much more exciting nowdays.
Original post by old_dude
(Original post by cuber314159)https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/01/uk-business-figures-still-backing-brexit to say company CEOs dont support brexit is wrong, they may not be the majority but they exist, most of the company CEOs that are against brexit are the big multinationals anyway.


They voted to leave for many reasons... half of them being promises of plateaus of sunny delight. Bit like religion, really.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
It's ****ing up the Conervative party and creating a space for Labour.

The tories more than likely are in their last term, which is a good thing. They are a total disaster and always have been. However Labour are doing Fantastic Job of holding themselves back, I have no Idea why Corbyn is obcessed with keeping Abbot in senior positions and furthermore why the Corbyn led Labour has abhorrent policies regarding Brexit which files in the face of the majority of its heartlands voters wishes. Its like they have learned nothing from Scotland.
Are they or are they just mouthing? Moving HQ doesn't mean moving out completely.

Remember Goldman Sachs claiming to do so and Unilever...

I didn't even vote to leave, but facts over fiction. It's easy to see the positives of remaining as we know what it's like now. The alternative is unknown, so the positive of leaving cannot be certainly known.
Original post by Notoriety
I don't believe you're allowed to circumvent the swear filter like this.

thank you for keeping up the standards on the forum.

:h:

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