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Original post by ByEeek
True. But we might also be at the mercy of GM modified, hormone injected, anti-biotic rich cr@p produced on an industrial scale from the likes of the US. No thank you.

Yes, i imagine British farms are looking forward to creating GM crops too, something the EU has so far shun.

I'm not sure you people forget that we dont have to sign a deal that includes that stuff though if we dont want to. Nor do you have to purchase it.
Original post by Rakas21
Yes, i imagine British farms are looking forward to creating GM crops too, something the EU has so far shun.

I'm not sure you people forget that we dont have to sign a deal that includes that stuff though if we dont want to. Nor do you have to purchase it.

So are you suggesting that the British public would be happy to see GM crops widely adopted in the UK? We forget that the EU has done some wonderful things for us and in my book a lack of GM crops is no bad thing. Do you remember the days when Britain was the dirty man of Europe until their laws made us clean up our act. I suppose you will be calling on the government to change the law so that water companies can pump raw sewage into the sea again? I imagine you will be looking for the UK government to scrap airline compensation laws and see a return to extortionate roaming charges? And of course we obviously want a US privacy system where companies can actively collect personal data about you without notifying you and then sell that data to the highest bidder without any checks or balances? I mean - it is your choice to use the internet right?

You are right - EU laws suck big style. Bring back the bad old days.
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Original post by ByEeek
So are you suggesting that the British public would be happy to see GM crops widely adopted in the UK? We forget that the EU has done some wonderful things for us and in my book a lack of GM crops is no bad thing. Do you remember the days when Britain was the dirty man of Europe until their laws made us clean up our act. I suppose you will be calling on the government to change the law so that water companies can pump raw sewage into the sea again? I imagine you will be looking for the UK government to scrap airline compensation laws and see a return to extortionate roaming charges? And of course we obviously want a US privacy system where companies can actively collect personal data about you without notifying you and then sell that data to the highest bidder without any checks or balances? I mean - it is your choice to use the internet right?

You are right - EU laws suck big style. Bring back the bad old days.

Wouldn't bother me, scientists seem to disagree with politicians on the matter.
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Original post by Vinny C
They voted to leave for many reasons... half of them being promises of plateaus of sunny delight. Bit like religion, really.

Unfair comparison. Jesus and indeed Mohammed existed, unlike the suggested trade deals.
Original post by DSutch
Unfair comparison. Jesus and indeed Mohammed existed, unlike the suggested trade deals.

I have the exact opposite view to you
Original post by ByEeek
So are you suggesting that the British public would be happy to see GM crops widely adopted in the UK? We forget that the EU has done some wonderful things for us and in my book a lack of GM crops is no bad thing. Do you remember the days when Britain was the dirty man of Europe until their laws made us clean up our act. I suppose you will be calling on the government to change the law so that water companies can pump raw sewage into the sea again? I imagine you will be looking for the UK government to scrap airline compensation laws and see a return to extortionate roaming charges? And of course we obviously want a US privacy system where companies can actively collect personal data about you without notifying you and then sell that data to the highest bidder without any checks or balances? I mean - it is your choice to use the internet right?

You are right - EU laws suck big style. Bring back the bad old days.

I would personally be fine with GM, I think that GM crops and wider human genetic modification is to be encouraged and commodified.

All good points however I am not leaving because I think the EU is evil or because I disagree with a specific law. I am leaving because Great Britain should not be accepting a single foreign directive in tandem with other things I have outlined in this thread.

Fundamentally I see Brexit as an issue of national pride. You rarely see an active remainer arguing for what we can do or change post brexit.

I think you will find that politicians disagree with science. I know GM food is safe. That is a fact. But I don't want GM pollen mixing with the organic veg in my garden thank you.
Original post by Rakas21
All good points however I am not leaving because I think the EU is evil or because I disagree with a specific law. I am leaving because Great Britain should not be accepting a single foreign directive in tandem with other things I have outlined in this thread.

Which is fine. Except Brexit or no Brexit, that is never ever going to happen. Canada in its free trade agreement has to implement directives from the EU, as does China and more or less any country that does business with it. And in return, the EU also takes into account the requirements of other countries and ammends its laws appropriately. The idea of standing on your own in the world making ALL your own decisions is a myth. If you do a deal, part of that deal is that you are going to accept dictats from your opposite number. So your ideals for leaving the EU are never going to come true. We will always be under the influence of the EU. It comes with the territory of trading with someone.

It happens in business. If you sell parsips to Tesco, as the larger more powerful entitiy you have to accept the terms offered. Tesco is dictating to you how you do business. Sure, you could take your business elsewhere but chances are, other supermarkets are also going to dictate their terms. You will be no better off.

At least when we were in the EU, we had a seat at the table that dictated the terms. We had a say. Now we are without a say but still have to accept the terms... as we are starting to discover.
Original post by ByEeek
Which is fine. Except Brexit or no Brexit, that is never ever going to happen. Canada in its free trade agreement has to implement directives from the EU, as does China and more or less any country that does business with it. And in return, the EU also takes into account the requirements of other countries and ammends its laws appropriately. The idea of standing on your own in the world making ALL your own decisions is a myth. If you do a deal, part of that deal is that you are going to accept dictats from your opposite number. So your ideals for leaving the EU are never going to come true. We will always be under the influence of the EU. It comes with the territory of trading with someone.

It happens in business. If you sell parsips to Tesco, as the larger more powerful entitiy you have to accept the terms offered. Tesco is dictating to you how you do business. Sure, you could take your business elsewhere but chances are, other supermarkets are also going to dictate their terms. You will be no better off.

At least when we were in the EU, we had a seat at the table that dictated the terms. We had a say. Now we are without a say but still have to accept the terms... as we are starting to discover.

Sure but the critical distinction is that when Canada wants to trade with Australia the products they send there do not have to comply with the EU directives aforementioned. Rules of compinance are not an issue, how far they overreach are.
Original post by ByEeek
So are you suggesting that the British public would be happy to see GM crops widely adopted in the UK? We forget that the EU has done some wonderful things for us and in my book a lack of GM crops is no bad thing. Do you remember the days when Britain was the dirty man of Europe until their laws made us clean up our act. I suppose you will be calling on the government to change the law so that water companies can pump raw sewage into the sea again? I imagine you will be looking for the UK government to scrap airline compensation laws and see a return to extortionate roaming charges? And of course we obviously want a US privacy system where companies can actively collect personal data about you without notifying you and then sell that data to the highest bidder without any checks or balances? I mean - it is your choice to use the internet right?

You are right - EU laws suck big style. Bring back the bad old days.

You seem to have a very distorted version of history.

What really winds me up is how these university educated career Labour politicians whom have never held a real job in their lives are chanting this type of garbage.

We did not get workers rights from the EU, we did not knock the shanty towns down and build livable humane housing from EU or EEC money, we did not get health and safety acts from the EEC or EU. We got them through Labour and a socialist uprising after WW2 demanded by the people.

Traitors to country and party the lot of them
Original post by ByEeek
I think you will find that politicians disagree with science. I know GM food is safe. That is a fact. But I don't want GM pollen mixing with the organic veg in my garden thank you.

Easily sorted just put up a pollen fence, you'll find them in any good diy store in the same aisle as the tartan paint and the spirit level bubbles.
Original post by Rakas21
Sure but the critical distinction is that when Canada wants to trade with Australia the products they send there do not have to comply with the EU directives aforementioned. Rules of compinance are not an issue, how far they overreach are.

No. But they do comply with Canadian or Austrailian directives depending on which way they travel. And there will be some form of court of arbitration or committee to deal with disputes. In the EU, this is court the European Court of Justice. But in any trade deal there is similar. Otherwise, what do you do if the company your are dealing with doesn't pay for example?
Reply 93
I just started watching "the Great Fire of London".
They said that the cost if it hit the same area today would be £37billion!

£2billion less than the EU annual membership fee.
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Original post by NJA
I just started watching "the Great Fire of London".
They said that the cost if it hit the same area today would be £37billion!

£2billion less than the EU annual membership fee.

That's an interesting point, if it's true
Original post by NJA
I just started watching "the Great Fire of London".
They said that the cost if it hit the same area today would be £37billion!

£2billion less than the EU annual membership fee.

The EU annual membership fee is not £39 billion.
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Reply 96
Original post by Burton Bridge
That's an interesting point, if it's true

catch-up as your friend.
Reply 97
Original post by old_dude
The EU annual membership fee is not £39 billion.

Ok the divorce bill, the asking price for non membership. 😥
Original post by NJA
catch-up as your friend.

Unsure what you mean?
Original post by old_dude
The EU annual membership fee is not £39 billion.

No you seem to be correct, I've NJA made a point which made me think last night, fortunately I was out on the lash and if I'd of replied last night it would of been drunken dribble :biggrin: so I've just done a little sober reserch.


The UK Statistics Authority has said the EU membership fee figure of £19 billion a year, or £350 million a week, is "not an amount of money that the UK pays to the EU each year". However a little more reserch showed me that the UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.

In 2017 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at nearly £9 billion.


So this effectively means we could pay for a building of a modern day fire of London disaster every 3 years by simply removing the cost of EU membership!

Amy positives on Brexit, I'd say so.
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