Holocaust Memorial Day

I specifically mentioned the Roma and the other groups targeted for extermination in the Holocaust in an earlier thread.

Clearly many, many peoples suffered horribly at Nazi hands. I also think the Jews do rightly deserve a special day to remember the particular massively organised and systematic attempt at genocide that was partially successfully launched against them. That is in no way to detract from the massive suffering of others. Even if they don't deserve that and the HMD is to remember all victims of Nazism, then we shouldn't be permitting the far right to take over the debate and join in the sneaky argument that it's all just the Jews complaining and for all we know, even their fault - exactly what Himmler would say were he still around.

For all those who suffered, i'm very sorry.

I am also pro rubbing poeple's noses in the crimes of colonialism.

it isn't one or the other.

The genocide was directed primarily at Jews. The Nazi extermination machinery of the death camps was aimed at Jews. It also encompassed along the way some other groups such as homosexuals and gypsies.

The other killings are evil examples of the random killing and war-linked and conquest-linked extreme murderousness.

Yikes.

I am also pro rubbing poeple's noses in the crimes of colonialism.

it isn't one or the other.

The problem is that there isn't a World Holocausts Day plural - we should also take note of other holocausts like the Turkish genocide attempt directed at the Armenians and more recent ones. And of course we could go further back in history.

Holocaust Memorial Trust remembers 6 genocides on Holocaust Memorial day, as I detailed in a post earlier. The Hplocaust may have been the largest of these tragedies, but it isn't the only one recognised.

Perhaps casual visitors to this thread would not be as used to your posts as we are and your relentless pushing of far right ideological positions thinly dressed up as factual pseudo-reasoning.

It's correct to say that the Jews were the initial prime targets of Nazi extermination plans and that other groups, such as communists and homosexuals were additions - they were included almost as an afterthought by parts of the SS killing machine once the death camp machinery was available. The first targets for mass killing were the disabled, physically and mentally, who have not been mentioned yet in the discussion.

I did not mean to infer that the mass killings that took place in Russia, Ukraine, etc, were 'random', when I used that word I was thinking of the tendency of both Wermacht and SS forces to engage in the arbitrary murder of local civilians in all areas, in addition to the formalised SS extermination machinery. Of course there were massive levels of killing in all parts of the colonised E. European and Russian conquered territories, directed at all sorts of defenceless people.

Yes, it doesn't cover the Armenian genocide, which is why I mentioned that, nor others like the attempts by the Soviets under Lenin and Stalin to eliminate entire peoples, but they do indeed acknowledge the Nazi persecutions (and they call them that) which they distinguish from the extermination of the Jews, still referred to as The Holocaust.
https://www.hmd.org.uk/what-is-holocaust-memorial-day/