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Reply 40
Original post by Good bloke
I haven't. I understood, though, that it was the doggerel, which I have read, which was commented on by the police.


It was one of about 30 tweets they highlighted as I understand it.

Original post by Good bloke
The use of the word 'bigot' as an insult doesn't work for me. It simply means someone who won't change their mind, and in almost all cases (including your use of it) the user of the word is just as bigoted as the intended target. Neither of you will change your minds.

I'm always open to credible and scientific evidence about this sort of thing, there is a ton of things we don't know about when it comes to being trans. But when it comes to the anti-scientific rhetoric that the anti-trans lot constantly come out with, there is simply no point in wasting my time engaging with such tripe. Just the same as I wouldn't bother reading any arguments about why the Earth is flat or the moon landings were faked.
Original post by Dez
I'm always open to credible and scientific evidence about this sort of thing, there is a ton of things we don't know about when it comes to being trans.

We do know that about 80% never have any kind of surgery,so remain in their birth sex, and we do know that many revert later, suggesting that the activists who have pushed hormones down their throats have done a lot of damage.
Reply 42
Original post by Good bloke
We do know that about 80% never have any kind of surgery,so remain in their birth sex, and we do know that many revert later, suggesting that the activists who have pushed hormones down their throats have done a lot of damage.

So?
Original post by Dez
So?


So you conceded his points 😂
Original post by Dez
So?

Well, I am glad you agree with me about the dangers of such activists being allowed to indoctrinate vulnerable people and to encourage them to poison themselves when all they need is counselling and patience.
Reply 45
Original post by Good bloke
Well, I am glad you agree with me about the dangers of such activists being allowed to indoctrinate vulnerable people and to encourage them to poison themselves when all they need is counselling and patience.

Such activists who "pushed hormones down their throats" as you put it are obviously the extreme minority. More level-headed individuals (i.e. doctors) tend to be the ones to prescribe hormone medication in the majority of cases.
Original post by Dez
Such activists who "pushed hormones down their throats" as you put it are obviously the extreme minority. More level-headed individuals (i.e. doctors) tend to be the ones to prescribe hormone medication in the majority of cases.

Unfortunately that comes after the likes of the extremist organisation, Memaids, has had its claws into the kids.
Reply 47
Original post by Good bloke
Unfortunately that comes after the likes of the extremist organisation, Memaids, has had its claws into the kids.

Are you claiming that Mermaids has been force-feeding drugs to people? If so please provide some evidence.
omg this guy is my idol i want to be a groomer i tried and the police found me during the act stupid police i wish i was as good as this groomer
Original post by Dez
Are you claiming that Mermaids has been force-feeding drugs to people? If so please provide some evidence.

I never said anyone "force-feeds" anyone with anything. Mermaids is, though, an example of the extremist organisations that indoctrinate teachers and advisers to hold beliefs (with the claim that they are completelt orthodox in what they preach) that encourage them to encourage children to take active steps with regard to both hormones and surgery at far too young an age.
Reply 50
Original post by Good bloke
I never said anyone "force-feeds" anyone with anything. Mermaids is, though, an example of the extremist organisations that indoctrinate teachers and advisers to hold beliefs (with the claim that they are completelt orthodox in what they preach) that encourage them to encourage children to take active steps with regard to both hormones and surgery at far too young an age.

They are a charity offering support and advice for a group of people (trans kids and their parents) that would otherwise have nothing and nobody to turn to. Calling them "extremist" is pretty misleading, they simply offer advice on how to find treatment, therapy and they answer questions on a topic that many people know very little about.

Anyway, while you clearly don't like Mermaids very much, right now they're the best option most kids have got. There are barely any other support networks out there for trans people, especially here in the UK.
Original post by Dez
They are a charity offering support and advice for a group of people (trans kids and their parents) that would otherwise have nothing and nobody to turn to. Calling them "extremist" is pretty misleading, they simply offer advice on how to find treatment, therapy and they answer questions on a topic that many people know very little about.

Anyway, while you clearly don't like Mermaids very much, right now they're the best option most kids have got. There are barely any other support networks out there for trans people, especially here in the UK.

It advocates in favour of irreversible surgery for under 16s, and is run by a woman who took her child abroad to avoid the sensible strictures of UK law and with whom NHS specialists completely disagree. Fortunately, the Big Lottery Fund is reviewing its funding.
Reply 52
Original post by Good bloke
It advocates in favour of irreversible surgery for under 16s


False.

Original post by Good bloke
and is run by a woman who took her child abroad to avoid the sensible strictures of UK law and with whom NHS specialists completely disagree.


Disagreements with one woman don't invalidate the work of the whole charity. If anything this just shows that more funding in transgender support is needed, so that professional and experienced people can provide the correct advice, rather than relying on laypersons to fill the gap.

Original post by Good bloke
Fortunately, the Big Lottery Fund is reviewing its funding.


Yes, after Mumsnet TERFers decided to organise an attack campaign against them. Quite why they think its any of their business I'll never know, but thankfully their actions have in fact resulted in more funding for the charity rather than less, after the online fundraiser it ended up inspiring.
Original post by Dez
False.

Its main spokesman and CEO inflicted exactly that on her child.
Reply 54
Original post by Good bloke
Its main spokesman and CEO inflicted exactly that on her child.

No, her child had surgery after she turned 16. It's true that they went abroad to do this, but under UK law 16-year-olds can consent to their own medical treatment, so that's irrelevant.
Original post by Dez

Yes, after Mumsnet TERFers decided to organise an attack campaign against them. Quite why they think its any of their business I'll never know


Ah, the joys of intersectionality!

Mumsnet TERFers too. Wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of them. It would be like getting in the bad books of the local WI. Nasty...
Original post by zhog
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/police-investigate-uk-man-for-retweeting-poem-mocking-men-who-say-theyre-wo

Surprised? Not really, the police just don't know what to do with themselves.

:rofl3:
It feels like time to return to the subject matter of the thread. As ever it tends to get derailed.

So let's recap what actually happened. A former policeman himself, a man named Harry Miller, was questioned by the Humberside Constabulary for "liking" a tweet which contained a "limerick".

Mr Miller, who believes 'trans women are not women', says the formal probe by Humberside Police was into his 'thinking' and his reasons for liking the limerick on Twitter...

'Cop said he was in possession of 30 tweets by me,' he recalled on Twitter. 'I asked if any contained criminal material. He said "No."

'I asked if any came close to being criminal and he read me a limerick. Honestly. A limerick. A cop read me a limerick over the phone.'


Luckily the copper said it wasn't criminal but would be recorded as a "hate incident."

The tweet contained the following (which isn't actually a limerick):

"Your breasts are made of silicone
Your vagina goes nowhere
And we can tell the difference
Even when you are not there
Your hormones are synthetic
And let's just cross this bridge
What you have, you stupid man
Is male privilege."


Any society which allows the police to legally investigate a citizen for checking the heart icon under a tweet containing such a verse can no longer call itself free.

It is as simple as that.
Original post by Dez
Clearly you've not actually seen his twitter profile. He regularly makes personal attacks against trans people, albeit always using screenshots rather than actual retweets/@-replies. He seems to usually save the latter for correspondence with other users in his little bigotry echo chamber.

You see you say attack but that's not what happened.The guy didn't attack anyone.He didn't verbally abuse anyone.He clicked a button on a screen.The sensible approach to that would either be to ignore it or simply turn off the screen.Calling the police is a massive overreaction and them actually coming out is ridiculous.No crime was committed so it's not a police matter at all.You don't even have to agree with him to realise that.If you can now get investigated for liking things online it suggests the police have nothing better to do.Its the kind of thing that would happen in China.
Reply 59
Original post by Rs5644
You see you say attack but that's not what happened.The guy didn't attack anyone.He didn't verbally abuse anyone.He clicked a button on a screen.


Maybe you should actually go and read some of his tweets.

Original post by Rs5644
The sensible approach to that would either be to ignore it or simply turn off the screen.Calling the police is a massive overreaction and them actually coming out is ridiculous.No crime was committed so it's not a police matter at all.You don't even have to agree with him to realise that.If you can now get investigated for liking things online it suggests the police have nothing better to do.Its the kind of thing that would happen in China.


I've already said that I don't think this ought to have been a police matter, it would've been better handled by social workers but Tory cuts have made that impossible. So it falls to the police to deal with minor matters like this because there are no other support networks left.

BTW, the police officer didn't visit him in person, he talked over the phone.