Amnesty for london moped gang members

They must learn they did something wrong, and the real problem is society. They have nothing, their parents are probaby lousy, not surprising what happened really. Something drastic must change so that kids like this are identified and helped before they turn to crime.

My solution is to stop letting everyone have kids.

What? Everyone? So you wouldn't have been born?

Currently everyone can have kids. If we stop letting everyone have kids, that means we stop some people only.

Ok - sounds promising. So who do you choose?

That is a different question. I never said it is easy (or even feasible), just that there is a clear and high correlation between parents and children.

Three strike system like in the states. Strike one... fine. Strike 2 bigger fine. Strike 3... back to whence you came.

I never suggested an amnesty for scooter robbers. But giving out brain cells to would-be victims might go some of the way to helping the problem.

Well done. And what is your evidence for correlating the idea that bad parents = bad children? I would wage a lot of money that there are a lot of good parents who lose control of their kids for a whole load of really complicated and difficult to fathom reasons.

But as long as folks are proposing easy to understand solutions based on assumption and stereotyping then all will be well!

“Mr Smith, this is your third offence. You came before this court last year and I sentenced you to pay a fine. Shortly afterwards you were caught committing another robbery. You claimed that you needed the money to pay a debt to a man in a wig. On that occasion, I sentenced you to a very heavy fine. Now you come before the court again for yet another robbery. The officer who arrested you stated that you claimed that your debt to the man in the wig had increased. I find that very unlikely. As this is your third offence, I must impose the maximum sentence. Mr Smith, you will be taken from this place and sent back to whence you came. Officer, take the prisoner down from the dock and transport him to Bishops Stortford. And, Mr Smith, may the Lord have mercy upon your soul.”

I know, was being facetious.
I agree with you

Don't disagree with that either, it's just that it is made a bit easy for them because so many people seem to constantly be on their mobiles now.
I get the analogies that you point out but this is literally like walking along holding a bunch of notes in front of you whilst paying absolutely no attention to what's going on or who is around, in an ideal world it shouldn't be a problem but due to the amount of lowlife scum around it is.
So no to an amnesty but please people, use your brains and don't offer your phones up on a plate.

Agreed to a point, the problem is the pusdo socialists (as you call them). It's the neoliberals whom are enforcing us with cross party support to change and influence how we can act, this is what is causing social decay.

If these people had not got such huge power to criminalise the good people of society then the group could take action, good people always outnumber bad the reason people don't get involved is through fear the system would criminalise them!

Anyway in this world where this political group has took over with no way of removing them, unfortunately it's up to the victim to look after themselves.

So I think we are in more agreement than disagreement on this topic?

“Mr Smith, this is your third offence. You came before this court last year and I sentenced you to pay a fine. Shortly afterwards you were caught committing another robbery. You claimed that you needed the money to pay a debt to a man in a wig. On that occasion, I sentenced you to a very heavy fine. Now you come before the court again for yet another robbery. The officer who arrested you stated that you claimed that your debt to the man in the wig had increased. I find that very unlikely. As this is your third offence, I must impose the maximum sentence. Mr Smith, you will be taken from this place and sent back to whence you came. Officer, take the prisoner down from the dock and transport him to Bishops Stortford. And, Mr Smith, may the Lord have mercy upon your soul.”

Well I disagree both of you @ByEeek as well.

I think giving that message out is like a subliminal message diverting attention away from the crime/criminal and into the victim. I'm not saying that's the intention it's the result.

It's like saying a women got raped because she wore a dress which covered exceptionally little so should think about how she dresses in future or a person's car was vandalised because they upset somebody and they should think about what they say more or where they park in future.

Robbery is little different unless we are talking about starving people robbing food for survival, which we are clearly not. It should not be up to the individual victim to prevent the crime it should be up to the group (everyone) to prevent the crime by making these actions unacceptable and carry heavy consequences.

While people are looking after the criminal indirectly as I've just pointed out or directly as per OP, society will just carry on deteriorating

Oh I agree. I am not victim blaming. But people don't help themselves. They wouldn't flash a £1k wad of cash in public and if you did and you got mugged at best you are an idiot. But doing the same with an iPhone X is somehow different.

Almost right... try Scunthorpe. There, you will spend the rest of your life comparing knuckle tattoos with the other inmates.