MP has solution for knife crime!!!

Scott Mann, Conservative MP for North Cornwall, has announced a guaranteed solution to knife crime:

"Every knife sold in the UK should have a gps tracker fitted in the handle.

So Mrs Jones will have to keep all her knives under lock and key? Or install CCTV in her knife drawer.
Does this include table knives? Butter knives?
Does she sign a waiver when she has a dinner party for her guests to use them?

I understand, but here is my view.

These knives can be barcoded and registered during purchase. If Mrs. Jones purchases 2 knives, we know that she did and her information is recorded. It is her responsibility to monitor all her knives.

This includes all knives and for all activities including fishing.

I definitely agree with this point. However, I think we need to get the knives off the streets whilst clamping down on the drug trade.

1) What are you going to do about the tens if not hundreds of millions of unregistered, unbarcoded knives already in the hands of the public, in every single house up and down the country?

2) What is to stop criminals simply removing the barcode?

3) How will barcodes and registration actually deter anybody from carrying knives? They will still have to be caught in the act, and without stop and search that will prove no less difficult than it already is. Even with stop and search, you can't search everybody, most will still slip through the net, criminals have always known this and they aren't detered by these flimsy preventative measures

4) What about other sharply pointed objects that aren't knives? Screwdrivers? Chisels? Awls? Forks? Scissors? Metal pens? Nails? Screws? Are we just going to have to have a registry for all the pointy things in society?

5) What is to stop anybody just making a knife? Prisoners have been coming up with an all manner of inventive ways to make stabby things out of their extremely limited resources anybody with basic tools could make one. Buy a piece of flat steel from B&Q, file a point and edge on it, and hey presto you have a knife. Doesn't even need to be heat treated or well finished if it's only purpose is to stab somebody.



You are never going to get knives of the streets because you are never going to be able reduce the number of them in society (see my first point), this isn't the same as controlling firearms or similar weapons. Knives are one of the most, if not the most ubiquitous and widely used tool in every day life, they are literally in every home and that is unlikely to change any time soon. Focusing so much energy on knives as an object is a waste of time and resources that would be better spent tackling the real roots of violent crime as a whole.

unlike a gun where the only purpose of it is to harm people.

All I hurt with my gun is a bit of paper and my wallet, possibly even the person who owns the range as he has to sweep up all the lead every once in a while and I recon that would take a bit of effort.

Here is my view and I am not saying it is universal fact (before someone responds with aggressive rage)

First, I never said that should be done alone. There are many parts of the knife crime situation. We need to attack the source of the issue which are drugs and poverty. Then try to resolve the issue with violent attacks with knives.

1. If it was me, I would ask everyone to return their knives to be replaced by a barcoded replacement. You go to designated local shops to return your old knives and get the new ones. To control costs, everyone will be issue with 2 new knives in the first instance.

2. You are correct. Nothing can stop them, but everyone will be responsible for their knives. It is like a gun in the US, if it goes missing, you are in trouble. If it is found at a crime scene, you are responsible and have to be questioned. All guns are registered in the US.

3. This would be done through a series of actions. First, increase stop and search to everyone both men and women as well as black, white and asian. Anyone caught with knives receive zero tolerance. Second, people monitor their own knives. If your knife is gone, it is your responsibility.

4. These can also be registered. However, seeing that knives are the weapons of choice, we would start with those weapons.

5. True. Like I said before, knives are the weapons of choice at the moment. Once there is move towards other weapons, there would be decisions on how to control those materials. Bear in mind that there are other programmes to reduce the likelihood of individuals falling into the drug crime and joining gangs.

To your final point, I don't agree. I think it can be controlled.

Scott Mann, Conservative MP for North Cornwall, has announced a guaranteed solution to knife crime:

"Every knife sold in the UK should have a gps tracker fitted in the handle. It’s time we had a national database like we do with guns. If you’re carrying it around you had better have a bloody good explanation, obvious exemptions for fishing etc."
https://twitter.com/scottmann4NC/status/1106128906480951296

Twitter is amused:


etc...

What if people just start stabbing each other using forks instead?

Here is my view and I am not saying it is universal fact (before someone responds with aggressive rage)

First, I never said that should be done alone. There are many parts of the knife crime situation. We need to attack the source of the issue which are drugs and poverty. Then try to resolve the issue with violent attacks with knives.

1. If it was me, I would ask everyone to return their knives to be replaced by a barcoded replacement. You go to designated local shops to return your old knives and get the new ones. To control costs, everyone will be issue with 2 new knives in the first instance.

2. You are correct. Nothing can stop them, but everyone will be responsible for their knives. It is like a gun in the US, if it goes missing, you are in trouble. If it is found at a crime scene, you are responsible and have to be questioned. All guns are registered in the US.

3. This would be done through a series of actions. First, increase stop and search to everyone both men and women as well as black, white and asian. Anyone caught with knives receive zero tolerance. Second, people monitor their own knives. If your knife is gone, it is your responsibility.

4. These can also be registered. However, seeing that knives are the weapons of choice, we would start with those weapons.

5. True. Like I said before, knives are the weapons of choice at the moment. Once there is move towards other weapons, there would be decisions on how to control those materials. Bear in mind that there are other programmes to reduce the likelihood of individuals falling into the drug crime and joining gangs.

To your final point, I don't agree. I think it can be controlled.

Quick question, you do realise that different styles of knives have different purposes? That 5/7 kitchen knife sets exist for a reason? Then you have hobby knives, with multiple blade types for cutting different materials and control of cut? Then there are work knives, pocket knives, fishing knives, and many others. Not to mention cutlery sets...

For points 4 and 5, I was unable to find the exact article but the below is approximately the same...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/29224/heres-what-london-police-recovered-weapons-sweep-paul-bois

4 - How big is your registry going to be? If you’re going to count anything that could be dangerous, then that’s pretty much any solid object - it would be like indexing all the grains of sand on a beach.

OK. You've have rid the streets of knlves, and. everyones cutlery is registered and accounted for but there are still people being attacked and injured and this i

simply unacceptable. It must foreigners bringing illegal cutlery over the border so you build a wall and keep traffic in and OUT to minimum. You may as well change your name now to the P.D.R.U.K..

I can't believe what I'm reading here. A national database for registering knives in an attempt to reduce crime.. Your country better start looking in the right hand for solutions to it's perceived crises before it's too late.

Yes, I agree.

If you read my other posts, you would see that my proposal has multiple layers of social policy. People are just focused on the control of knives and other sharp objects.

People are not even putting out their own suggestions. They are only interested in explaining why it is wrong.

The idea is ridiculous, which is what the whole thread is about.

How would you register every object in the country? If this were possible, do you think it would stop anyone? Even if you put a GPS tracker on every knife sold at Tesco all this would mean is that ordinary people won't be able to afford to cut up their food. Criminals will just make their own, or use something else - and there must be billions of knives in the country already.