Ditching Ulster?

The referendum is a choice between an independent Ulster or a province of the UK.

In the event of Ulster voting for independence, the nation will be free to determine its own destiny. It may choose to remain in the EU, unite with Ireland, or both.

No it isn't.

Why isn't it?

Let's start again. So you think the socially conservative people of Donegal would vote to leave a country they want to be part of (Ireland) to form a new country (Ulster) in the hope it would self-determine to reunite with their original country?

As we say in Belfast, is your head cut?

If the referendum was held the day after an independent Ulster was created, then the answer will most likely be no. If it is held about 5 years later then the outcome is less predictable and will depend on how both Ulster and Ireland are doing. Take into account that Donegal stands a bit apart from the rest of Ireland, apart from the conservative Gaelic parts of the west coast, and has historically strong connections with Derry and Tyrone. Ireland has become more socially liberal over the past two decades whereas many Catholic areas of Ulster are still quite conservative. It's quite possible that residents of Donegal find that Dublin is more alien and culturally apart than Belfast is nowadays.

It will be an interesting scenario if Ireland continues to become more socially liberal and Ulster becomes more socially conservative as time passes and this is what keeps the two countries apart from each other.

It already exists.

And why do you think the people of Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan would want to leave the rest of Ireland?

The nine counties don't even exist any more, never mind the "province". Of course, the "three countries and 11 districts" doesn't sound quite as poetic.

It has a rugby team...

SUFTUM

I leave this thread in your very, very capable hands. I saw some uneducated remarks, but then saw your name and your answers, and I relaxed.

One major problem with this: the majority of people in Northern Ireland are not socially conservative.
https://news.sky.com/story/majority-support-decriminalising-abortion-in-northern-ireland-according-to-opinion-polls-11522525

It's nowhere near as simplistic and clear cut as this. Should Donegal declare itself as an independent nation if the rest of both Ireland and Ulster veer towards becoming socially liberal places?

The concept of adding extra counties to an independent 6 county Ulster is a hypothetical longer term concept whose viability and level of public support can only be determined with any degree of accuracy if an independent 6 county Ulster already exists first.

It's nowhere near as simplistic and clear cut as this. Should Donegal declare itself as an independent nation if the rest of both Ireland and Ulster veer towards becoming socially liberal places?

The concept of adding extra counties to an independent 6 county Ulster is a hypothetical longer term concept whose viability and level of public support can only be determined with any degree of accuracy if an independent 6 county Ulster already exists first.

It has a rugby team...

SUFTUM

Presumably we're all quite happy being part of Lionsland!

I see, so now you are proposing that Donegal should declare itself independent of both Ireland and Northern Ireland.

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Begorah!

The full verse is

And if I could I'd build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, by God I'd build it tall
Casinos, chicken ranches, I'd legalize them all
We'd have our own Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal
Yeah Las Vegas, in the hills of Donegal

So you think the same people that voted on Amendment 8 want to have Las Vegas in Donegal?