Whats the best solution for Brexit now?
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Original post by Bashtopher
That's simply not true. We would not be a member of the European Union under May's deal, the customs union motion or the single market motion. Therefore we would have left the European Union. You may not like May's deal, the customs union or the single market, but it is completely false to say that they are "remain" when all three literally involve leaving the European Union. They all stay loyal to the result of the referendum - which merely states the people want to leave the EU. Just as a reminder to people, the actual referendum question was:
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
The referendum decided no more than that - leave or remain. Nothing about how to leave. Nothing about no deal. I don't know why people find that so hard to understand. But then again, I don't know why people want to leave with no deal and make the country, and likely their own families, poorer.
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
The referendum decided no more than that - leave or remain. Nothing about how to leave. Nothing about no deal. I don't know why people find that so hard to understand. But then again, I don't know why people want to leave with no deal and make the country, and likely their own families, poorer.
What a load of horses**t. It doesn’t make a difference if you voted Remain or Leave, if you don’t support No Deal which is very likely don’t then you’re not a Brexiteers.
You’re going it on like there’s more than two genders. It’s binary, Remain or Leave (No Deal. No buts, no ifs, no maybes, no half measures. Those motions (soft Brexit) in the names of Labour MPs and Remain Tories are always out forward in an attempt to obstruct an ongoing implementation of the Brexit process.
May’s treaty is NOT Brexit, it’s more like a Remain minus, it doesn’t do anything it says on the tin and it does not get us out of the EU. It keeps the UK in regulatory alignment with the EU stopping any Free Trade Deals, ensures N. Ireland is betrayed and the backstop breaks up the UK.
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
What a load of horses**t. It doesn’t make a difference if you voted Remain or Leave, if you don’t support No Deal which is very likely don’t then you’re not a Brexiteers.
You’re going it on like there’s more than two genders. It’s binary, Remain or Leave (No Deal. No buts, no ifs, no maybes, no half measures. Those motions (soft Brexit) in the names of Labour MPs and Remain Tories are always out forward in an attempt to obstruct an ongoing implementation of the Brexit process.
May’s treaty is NOT Brexit, it’s more like a Remain minus, it doesn’t do anything it says on the tin and it does not get us out of the EU. It keeps the UK in regulatory alignment with the EU stopping any Free Trade Deals, ensures N. Ireland is betrayed and the backstop breaks up the UK.
You’re going it on like there’s more than two genders. It’s binary, Remain or Leave (No Deal. No buts, no ifs, no maybes, no half measures. Those motions (soft Brexit) in the names of Labour MPs and Remain Tories are always out forward in an attempt to obstruct an ongoing implementation of the Brexit process.
May’s treaty is NOT Brexit, it’s more like a Remain minus, it doesn’t do anything it says on the tin and it does not get us out of the EU. It keeps the UK in regulatory alignment with the EU stopping any Free Trade Deals, ensures N. Ireland is betrayed and the backstop breaks up the UK.
No, I accept that it was a binary choice. Leave and remain. However, just like the two genders, there is variation within. A man or woman can be straight, gay, transgender, black, white, asian etc. However, it is factually incorrect to say that "leave" means "no deal". Just like gender, there are variations to leave and remain. What we are talking about is leave, and a variation of this option is that we can leave the EU with or without a deal. And even within those two options, there can be more variation (e.g. May's deal, common market, customs union etc).
I even showed you the question asked by the referendum. Please show me where it says "no deal". I will give you a cookie if you can.
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
No deal, because no deal is the only option that constitutes the Brexit that 17.4 million people like me voted for.
How do you know what others though they were voting for?
Original post by DragonsOfAsshai
By hard Brexit I mean not soft Brexit, should have clarified that. So, like TM's deal is what I mean.
You appear not to know what it would mean practically.
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
Any other motion that isn’t No Deal is not Leave, it’s Remain.
You don't appear to realise that we have to trade with Europe, so must have a deal.
(edited 5 years ago)
Original post by RogerOxon
How do you know what others though they were voting for?
Not including fake Tories I attended plenty Brexit rallies, talked with fellow Brexiteers and I follow big names like Nigel Farage, Paul Joseph Watson, Raheem Kassam, Pat Connell, Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Walters, Carl Benjamin, Mark Antro all favoured No Deal Brexit. Stop being such a bitter Remainer (if you’re a Remainer) of course.
In case you didn’t remember, if you bothered 3 years ago on the ballet it said Remain in European or Leave the European. No turn over to page to.
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
Not including fake Tories I attended plenty Brexit rallies, talked with fellow Brexiteers and I follow big names like Nigel Farage, Paul Joseph Watson, Raheem Kassam, Pat Connell, Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Walters, Carl Benjamin, Mark Antro all favoured No Deal Brexit. Stop being such a bitter Remainer (if you’re a Remainer) of course.
In case you didn’t remember, if you bothered 3 years ago on the ballet it said Remain in European or Leave the European. No turn over to page to.
In case you didn’t remember, if you bothered 3 years ago on the ballet it said Remain in European or Leave the European. No turn over to page to.
So you don't ever want to trade with Europe?!
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
Not including fake Tories I attended plenty Brexit rallies, talked with fellow Brexiteers and I follow big names like Nigel Farage, Paul Joseph Watson, Raheem Kassam, Pat Connell, Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Walters, Carl Benjamin, Mark Antro all favoured No Deal Brexit. Stop being such a bitter Remainer (if you’re a Remainer) of course.
In case you didn’t remember, if you bothered 3 years ago on the ballet it said Remain in European or Leave the European. No turn over to page to.
In case you didn’t remember, if you bothered 3 years ago on the ballet it said Remain in European or Leave the European. No turn over to page to.
Except for Farage they're all fringe alt right people. No academic takes them seriously.
This thread is 2 years old - highlights the political nonsense going on in HoC....
Best solution? No Brexit
Best solution? No Brexit
Original post by BlueIndigoViolet
This thread is 2 years old - highlights the political nonsense going on in HoC....
Best solution? No Brexit
Best solution? No Brexit
IMO, it highlights that the question wasn't well defined. Different people have different opinions on what "Leave" means, with many being certain that it's what they want it to mean. They tend to be the "No Deal" lot, who don't appear to know anything about trade or international relations, but would be horrified if they were refused entry to Europe for their Benidorm holiday (stereotype engaged).
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Original post by quirky editor
Except for Farage they're all fringe alt right people. No academic takes them seriously.
For your information they’re not ‘alt-right’. Stop dismissing individuals that don’t fit your far left narrative as ‘alt right’. Hitler was a leftie, don’t forget that.
Original post by BlueIndigoViolet
This thread is 2 years old - highlights the political nonsense going on in HoC....
Best solution? No Brexit
Best solution? No Brexit
No deal*
(edited 5 years ago)
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
For your information they’re not ‘alt-right’. Stop dismissing individuals that don’t fit your far left narrative as ‘alt right’. Hitler was a leftie, don’t forget that.
Hitler wasn't a leftie - he drove out socialists and communists!! Do you know what left wing politics actually is?
The people you listed are literally alt-right/ far right people. Some even self describe as such! No point denying those facts. If that's what you are, wear it with pride.
You also called someone far left because you assume they probably want to remain. You know the far left want to leave the EU, right? The EU is a the biggest capitalist conglomerate in the world, and the far left believe you can't achieve socialism within it. You realise that it was the far left in the UK that opposed joining the EU in the 70s right?
My god, do some research outside of your brexit rally echo chambers. And learn some history, it's embarrassing. And some current affairs and politics might help too.
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
Yes, finally someone in this thread with a brain!
You realise he said "no brexit", not "no deal", right? Lol
From a purely pragmatic economic perspective, we either wanna get justice for nick boles and do a common market meme, or revoke article 50 altogether and do no brexit at all.
Once you include ideas about democracy and respecting referenda n all of that malarkey then suddenly nothing is ideal.
Once you include ideas about democracy and respecting referenda n all of that malarkey then suddenly nothing is ideal.
Original post by Bashtopher
Hitler wasn't a leftie - he drove out socialists and communists!! Do you know what left wing politics actually is?
The people you listed are literally alt-right/ far right people. Some even self describe as such! No point denying those facts. If that's what you are, wear it with pride.
You also called someone far left because you assume they probably want to remain. You know the far left want to leave the EU, right? The EU is a the biggest capitalist conglomerate in the world, and the far left believe you can't achieve socialism within it. You realise that it was the far left in the UK that opposed joining the EU in the 70s right?
My god, do some research outside of your brexit rally echo chambers. And learn some history, it's embarrassing. And some current affairs and politics might help too.
The people you listed are literally alt-right/ far right people. Some even self describe as such! No point denying those facts. If that's what you are, wear it with pride.
You also called someone far left because you assume they probably want to remain. You know the far left want to leave the EU, right? The EU is a the biggest capitalist conglomerate in the world, and the far left believe you can't achieve socialism within it. You realise that it was the far left in the UK that opposed joining the EU in the 70s right?
My god, do some research outside of your brexit rally echo chambers. And learn some history, it's embarrassing. And some current affairs and politics might help too.
Hitler was leftie, more specifically a globalist. He advocated collectivism, high taxes, police sate, welfare state, restricted, free speech.
No, they are not far right. Yes, some may claim, centre right but not alt-right. You can’t simply dismiss as far-right because they don’t fit your political narrative. Candace Owens - an outspoken conservative Black woman Trump supporter who encourages black people to be think what they want to think and not think what’s expected from people like you, does that make her alt-right?. Believing in free markets, limited government, property rights, scrapping foreign aid, our people being put first doesn’t make the person alt-right.
Let’s take Jeremy Corbyn for example who wants Israel and Jews wiped off the face of the earth is acceptable but speaking out against a Islamic Extremism makes you far-right? Hey, all religions should freely be allowed criticised, Islam doesn’t have immunity, don’t know why there’s some protective shield around it.
Original post by Bashtopher
You realise he said "no brexit", not "no deal", right? Lol
I misread
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
Hitler was leftie, more specifically a globalist. He advocated collectivism, high taxes, police sate, welfare state, restricted, free speech.
No, they are not far right. Yes, some may claim, centre right but not alt-right. You can’t simply dismiss as far-right because they don’t fit your political narrative. Candace Owens - an outspoken conservative Black woman Trump supporter who encourages black people to be think what they want to think and not think what’s expected from people like you, does that make her alt-right?. Believing in free markets, limited government, property rights, scrapping foreign aid, our people being put first doesn’t make the person alt-right.
Let’s take Jeremy Corbyn for example who wants Israel and Jews wiped off the face of the earth is acceptable but speaking out against a Islamic Extremism makes you far-right? Hey, all religions should freely be allowed criticised, Islam doesn’t have immunity, don’t know why there’s some protective shield around it.
No, they are not far right. Yes, some may claim, centre right but not alt-right. You can’t simply dismiss as far-right because they don’t fit your political narrative. Candace Owens - an outspoken conservative Black woman Trump supporter who encourages black people to be think what they want to think and not think what’s expected from people like you, does that make her alt-right?. Believing in free markets, limited government, property rights, scrapping foreign aid, our people being put first doesn’t make the person alt-right.
Let’s take Jeremy Corbyn for example who wants Israel and Jews wiped off the face of the earth is acceptable but speaking out against a Islamic Extremism makes you far-right? Hey, all religions should freely be allowed criticised, Islam doesn’t have immunity, don’t know why there’s some protective shield around it.
This is so frustrating.
Hitler wasn't left wing. Left wing politics seeks social and financial equality. If you think that this is what Nazis wanted, you either know less than Wayne Hennessey, or your crazy. The Nazis were fascists - fascism is very far right. Please read some history materials that are not politically motivated.
It's funny that you accuse others of having a far left narrative simply if they imply they want to remain (which I've already explained is not something the far left want), but don't want the people you quote to be labelled "far right" when they espouse far right views dailly. You know nothing of my political allegiances other than I think remaining is the most fiscally responsible thing. You also know that I've accepted the referendum result and have offered a way out of the political impasse. Whether yoi agree with it or not seems ti be a different matter.
The people you have listed are a mixture of far right and alt right. Farage us a populist xenophobe that flirts with the far right, as is Anne Marie Waters (The latter more so). I mean, they even associate themselves with Le Pen and Geert Wilders! Paul Watson is a conspiracy theorist that edits infowars - a far right website. He used to actually label himself as alt right but now prefers the term "New right ". Raheem Kassam is a former editor of Breitbart - a far right "news" outlet. Tommy Robinson is a well known far right activist. He was a member of the fascist groups BNP and EDL. He now is part of UKIP which has turned to the extreme far right since Batten came in and let people like Carl Benjamin into the party.
You didn't say Candace Owens previously. However, she rejects being called alt right, although she lists Milo Yiannopolous has one of her biggest influences. He is very much a figurehead of the alt right. But anyways, she's more pro trump and focuses on race relations. She doesn't really talk about brexit, but only "blexit", so she doesn't add any value to your point.
I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but to say he wants to wipe Jews and Israel wiped off the face of the earth is a pretty outrageous lie. You're actually implying he advocates genocide, whereas it is well known that Jeremy Cornyn verges on being a pacifist!
And people can talk about extremism. The problems occur when people equate most of a religion with its extremities.
Original post by AnxiousAtypical
I misread
With what you've said in this thread, I get the feeling you misread an awful lot.
Wow! I've only read skim read the last few replies and I've laughed quite hard at this topic. The sheer amount dribble spoken not just the usual bigoted rubbish although that was present but some cracking nonsense - 'Hitler was leftie' is going to take some beating 
The best solution for Brexit now would be to do what our remain parliament won't do, that's too leave no deal if they are not prepared to accept the Canada deal or May's deal that the EU has offered us. May has actively took steps to avoid brexit and remain in the EU.
Calling people stupid or labeling them from distasteful factions because they don't want to actually think about what they believe in when what they belive is challenged is half the problem, unreasonable delusional is ripe at the moment!
The best solution for Brexit now would be to do what our remain parliament won't do, that's too leave no deal if they are not prepared to accept the Canada deal or May's deal that the EU has offered us. May has actively took steps to avoid brexit and remain in the EU.
Calling people stupid or labeling them from distasteful factions because they don't want to actually think about what they believe in when what they belive is challenged is half the problem, unreasonable delusional is ripe at the moment!
Why the **** would anyone think Hitler was a lefty?? 🙎🏻*♂️😬
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